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13:59:03 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
13:59:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Meeting: Adapt Weekly Teleconference Monday 26 June 2023
13:59:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
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14:05:39 <janina> scribe+
14:05:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> chair: Lionel_Wolberger
14:06:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Administratrivia
14:06:46 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Away next Monday, 3 July
14:07:02 <janina> Sharon: We're planning to skip--4th of July week
14:07:35 <janina> Lionel: 10th OK & 17 OK for me
14:08:08 <janina> Lionel: Will be in Australia from 24th until 7th August; back 14 August
14:08:39 <janina> s/14th/21st/
14:09:58 <janina> janina: Suggests we will need to meet because we want to be prepared for TPAC
14:11:25 <matatk> q+
14:11:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack matatk
14:12:06 <matatk> agenda?
14:14:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up item 3
14:14:20 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 -- taken up [from Sharon]
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14:16:48 <janina> lionel: We'll come back to 240 when Russell gets on Zoom with audio!
14:16:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: TPAC prep (break-out, hand-out, authoring tool) - https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/
14:17:00 <Russell> I will be joining
14:18:52 <janina> matt: I have Janina's list--coming ...
14:19:26 <matatk> Proposed agenda from Janina's email:
14:19:28 <matatk> When we do reconvene, though, we should lay out a strategy that gets us to TPAC with some key deliverables:
14:19:32 <matatk> Matthew's Authoring Tool--at least showable
14:19:34 <matatk> A prototype user agent that will display AAC -- Extension?
14:19:37 <matatk> Some marked up content
14:19:39 <matatk> Gap Analysis; especially rebuttal to "unicode is enough"
14:19:42 <matatk> A handout/single-screen demo of a concept displayed in multiple AAC symbol sets. The point is to illustrate why unicode doesn't suffice as the db key.
14:20:20 <Russell> present+
14:20:54 <janina> subtopic: Authoring Tool
14:21:00 <matatk> present+
14:21:11 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Curate our messaging around it
14:21:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:21:38 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: But it also does rendering, some is an implementation
14:23:50 <janina> matatk: There enough to show usability and that adding AAC is not onorous
14:24:20 <janina> matatk: Can also be a breakout; showing authoring as well as rendering
14:24:30 <janina> matatk: so far more hands on thatn before
14:25:08 <janina> matatk: same code builds browser extension, in order to show switching symbols
14:25:35 <janina> matatk: and we'll need to do testing to show we meet our CR's RFC2119 reqs in order to advance the spec to PR
14:27:22 <janina> janina: Asks if ready for demo by TPAC
14:27:39 <janina> matatk: yes, a contrived demo where we know the other symbol sets and will work live
14:28:50 <janina> Russell: I'm in an AI project where people are starting to work in this space, could we intro it there now? Could you spare an hour for that group?
14:28:54 <janina> matatk: Absolutely
14:30:00 <janina> matatk: phps if a separate team makes an implementation it'd be OK
14:30:19 <janina> matatk: not sure my tool will support the more highly generative Bliss
14:30:33 <janina> matatk: Goal here was to show how easy to support AAC in content
14:30:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:31:26 <janina> Russell: Will miss 3 weeks on vacation; will schedule for end of July or just beyond
14:31:37 <janina> ack l
14:32:28 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: brilliant tool at creating ml; how do we do the more minimal ml, like chapters in an mp4
14:33:22 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: can help an ordered list be scannable by all kinds of people; neuro diverse
14:33:56 <janina> matatk: Wow, I didn't know I did that!
14:37:36 <janina> matatk: highlights warning -- unsure whether OK to put explanation when explain is there -- what's the impact of using this, close, not close enough?
14:38:36 <janina> Russell: different word forms within Bliss -- OK to change tenses, etc; typical user conversing in Bliss won't bother that much
14:39:15 <matatk> q+
14:39:52 <janina> Russell: facility is there and a sophisticated implementation would; implementation would be more complex esp when one goes to other langs
14:40:34 <janina> Russell: most other symbol sets don't have that sophistication; so not a major issue for the field in general
14:42:41 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: shows pictogram and wonders about swapping
14:43:28 <janina> janina: Notes that registry is where that happens, not needed for CR proofs
14:44:05 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: also note we want individual words, bullets, not whole sentences
14:44:36 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: but not necessarily full sentences; the minimal is the more important for most of the community
14:44:56 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: this is coming out of A11y for Children
14:46:22 <janina> subtopic: example page
14:46:53 <janina> janina: Suggests git fork of ADA complaint form
14:47:07 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Shows ADA file a complaint form
14:48:09 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: notes about 5 screens to the form
14:49:29 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: zakim, take jup item 3
14:49:46 <janina> zakim, take up item 3
14:49:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:50:07 <janina> [discussion of potential response]
15:00:01 <janina> zakim, bye
15:00:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been matatk, Russell, janina, Lionel_Wolberger
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15:02:13 <matatk> present+
15:02:15 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/26-adapt-minutes.html janina
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15:02:38 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:02:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items