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13:47:45 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:47:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:47:51 <trackbot> Date: 22 June 2023
13:47:56 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/04ee1fba-d1a3-4473-98cb-0726ce44cb9c/20230629T150000/
13:47:56 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:47:56 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:47:56 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:47:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:48:00 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:48:01 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:48:02 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:48:05 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:48:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/22-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:57:06 <addison> present+ Addison
13:59:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/22-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:59:56 <addison> present+ Atsushi, Richard
14:03:02 <r12a> agenda?
14:03:24 <r12a> agenda+ Scratchpad for Respec/Bikeshed issue requesting macro for  character markup
14:06:01 <r12a> agenda+ https://github.com/w3c/tr-design/pull/323/files
14:06:04 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:06:04 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:10 <atsushi> scribe+
14:06:21 <atsushi> r12a: just added two
14:06:23 <r12a> agenda?
14:06:33 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:06:33 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:43 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:07:42 <atsushi> addison: 1241, open PR, still there
14:07:54 <atsushi> addison: 1257, PR still open, not yet merged
14:08:04 <atsushi> r12a: 1258, as agenda item
14:08:13 <atsushi> addison: 1265, doing
14:08:22 <atsushi> r12a: 1270, not yet
14:08:40 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:08:40 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:15 <r12a> agenda+ Counter styles registry and generic names
14:09:48 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:09:48 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:54 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:10:08 <atsushi> addison: new incoming request, VC data model v2.0
14:10:19 <atsushi> ... to CR in fall, deadline 2023-07-21
14:10:33 <atsushi> ... reviewing self-review and will file one
14:10:39 <atsushi> ... anybody else want to review?
14:10:49 <atsushi> addison: will take this one
14:11:01 <addison> agenda?
14:11:22 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:11:22 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Counter styles registry and generic names -- taken up [from r12a]
14:11:35 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/7959#issuecomment-1601860976  [css-counter-styles-3] Support automatically localized counters #7959
14:13:06 <atsushi> r12a: what they wanted to do is to define localized counter style by generic name
14:13:36 <atsushi> ... not only numeric, but also for others like letters
14:14:26 <atsushi> ... it's also useful for automatical translation over page, as language changed counter style should also changed
14:16:02 <atsushi> addison: how about difference between en-us and en-gb
14:17:34 <atsushi> ... not to over define like these. but zh-* could be one issue
14:18:07 <atsushi> r12a: one thing discussed during CSS call yesterday, not let browsers to choose style over this
14:18:35 <atsushi> addison: generic one for browser style sheet, and having another for styles
14:19:24 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/8636#issuecomment-1591665495
14:19:29 <atsushi> r12a: related, ready made counter style discussion
14:20:31 <atsushi> r12a: Myles proposed to convert our ready made counter style as registory, and CSS resolved to support that
14:21:08 <atsushi> ... that worries me per process, like building tests, testing against implementations
14:22:23 <atsushi> r12a: I don't know much about registry now, but will see
14:23:11 <atsushi> addison: browser could support these, but that is not our intention
14:23:24 <atsushi> r12a: it's just find helpful to try out
14:26:30 <atsushi> addison: we made ready made counter style document, for supporting counter style spec development and implementation
14:26:58 <atsushi> r12a: we just made it with easily updatable and fixable one
14:28:47 <atsushi> ... if every browser supports every entry in the registry, it might be better
14:31:44 <atsushi> r12a: let us just watch these threads
14:33:36 <addison> action: addison: respond to csswg 8636 about making ready-made counter styles into a registry and i18n's thoughts on that
14:33:45 <ghurlbot> Sorry, I don't know what repository to use.
14:33:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1276 - Respond to csswg 8636 about making ready-made counter styles into a registry and i18n's thoughts on that [on Addison Phillips - due 2023-06-29].
14:34:02 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:34:02 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Scratchpad for Respec/Bikeshed issue requesting macro for  character markup -- taken up [from r12a]
14:34:11 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:34:11 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- https://github.com/w3c/tr-design/pull/323/files -- taken up [from r12a]
14:35:32 <atsushi> r12a: on styling stuff, getting confused looking at the latest page
14:36:13 <atsushi> addison: that change includes Fantasai's backside one
14:36:51 <atsushi> ... that changes font change, into mono spaced one
14:38:08 <atsushi> r12a: change seems something wrong
14:39:26 <atsushi> r12a: on font-variant stuff, what about?
14:39:37 <atsushi> addison: last time changed into all-small-caps
14:39:47 <atsushi> ... will fix capitalization things
14:40:11 <atsushi> r12a: small-caps make things bad, so we've backed again
14:41:52 <atsushi> addison: let's go back to what we had
14:43:54 <atsushi> r12a: let's update and give me a link to check
14:44:22 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:44:22 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Scratchpad for Respec/Bikeshed issue requesting macro for  character markup -- taken up [from r12a]
14:44:48 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss/issues/29
14:45:35 <atsushi> r12a: it's related issue for character markup under proposed
14:45:49 <r12a> Scratchpad for Respec/Bikeshed issue requesting macro for character markup
14:48:13 <atsushi> addison: copy-able text should be fine
14:50:14 <atsushi> r12a: thought to start with respec first
14:52:23 <atsushi> r12a: focus on the last lines, on invisible characters
14:52:41 <atsushi> ... specify image, or standard location these images are hosted
14:57:23 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#char_ref_template
14:57:35 <atsushi> r12a: one last point, description of character name template
15:02:53 <atsushi> rrsagent, make log public
15:03:01 <atsushi> rrsagent, publish minutes
15:03:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/22-i18n-minutes.html atsushi
15:03:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/22-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:04:07 <addison> zakim, bye
15:04:07 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Atsushi, Richard
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