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13:03:57 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), maryjom
13:03:57 <maryjom> zakim, clear agenda
13:03:57 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:03:57 <jasonjgw> present+
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13:03:57 <maryjom> chair: Mary Jo Mueller
13:03:57 <matatk> present+
13:03:57 <maryjom> meeting: Sub-group on text / command line / Terminal emulators
13:04:03 <mitch11> present+
13:04:03 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
13:04:11 <maryjom> present+
13:05:39 <matatk> https://deploy-preview-172--wcag2ict.netlify.app/#background-on-text-command-line-terminal-applications-and-interfaces
13:05:52 <maryjom> topic: Janina's pull request
13:06:57 <maryjom> https://deploy-preview-172--wcag2ict.netlify.app/#text-command-line-terminal-applications-and-interfaces
13:07:29 <maryjom> Above links are what to review for Janina's update to the pull request.
13:08:01 <maryjom> topic: Review of spreadsheet proposals for content
13:10:15 <mitch11> q+
13:10:29 <maryjom> ack mitch
13:10:38 <maryjom> scribe+ maryjom
13:11:33 <maryjom> mitch: In general, the drafted content looks good. Specifically 1.2.1 seems like beeps belongs on 1.1.1 Non-text content.
13:12:13 <maryjom> mitch: There seems that there might need to be the full list of SC and for each that apply as written, say so.
13:14:36 <maryjom> matatk: +1 to Mitch's comments. I need to find some examples of cases to find - about 14 of them and haven't had bandwidth to do that.
13:14:57 <maryjom> matatk: Hopes to make progress on examples next week.
13:15:46 <maryjom> matatk: There are 6 cells with specific questions, probably dependent on examples.
13:16:48 <mitch11> q+
13:16:52 <maryjom> jasonjgw: There may be disagreement in the yes/no column but nothing substantive
13:17:25 <matatk> q+
13:17:29 <matatk> ack mitch11
13:17:31 <matatk> q?
13:17:37 <matatk> ack mitch
13:17:47 <maryjom> matatk: The yes/no cells pretty much identify where the examples are neeed.
13:19:22 <maryjom> mitch: I think it makes sense to make a pull request from the proposed text so we can review easier.
13:19:47 <maryjom> jasonjgw: +1 to having a pull request that has all of the changes
13:20:46 <maryjom> matatk: Instead of wherever "no text needed" should be "this applies" or "this doesn't apply". I like that the notes are next to the proposal.
13:21:43 <maryjom> matatk: It will take a couple of weeks to go through all of the examples I've got to look into.
13:22:59 <maryjom> matatk: If I put together a pull request today will you also be able to review by next week?
13:23:45 <maryjom> s/matatk: If I/maryjom: If I/
13:24:15 <dmontalvo> q+
13:24:25 <mitch11> q+
13:24:27 <maryjom> jasonjgw: If something is really rare to happen, it won't change whether or not the SC would apply.
13:24:33 <matatk> ack matatk
13:24:46 <maryjom> ack dmontalvo
13:25:16 <maryjom> dmontalvo: +1 to Jason - prioritize the scenarios that might change our decision.
13:26:04 <maryjom> dmontalvo: Once we see how this starts to take shape, it's just better to read it in context.
13:26:19 <maryjom> ack mitch
13:26:20 <mitch11> example of how to support what jason was saying: Content relevant to this criterion is rare for text-based applications. If such content does occur, this criterion applies as written.
13:27:44 <maryjom> mitch: Above text would be helpful to the reader.
13:27:54 <matatk> +1 to all of the above from jasonjgw, dmontalvo and mitch11 from me
13:29:00 <mitch11> I need to drop. Great progress, great work everybody, cheers
13:31:18 <maryjom> maryjom: I will make a branch off of Janina's and send it out for our review.
13:32:03 <maryjom> topic: Janina's PR updates
13:32:47 <maryjom> janina: Trying to capture some of the nuances of the topic and how CLI and terminal emulators should be characterized today.
13:33:50 <maryjom> ...Command line environments are more powerful and help is context sensitive, even with progressive reveal of more help on repeat requests.
13:34:33 <maryjom> jasonjgw: Agree with those points. With applications have multiple interfaces is typical of the Unix way of developing these tools.
13:35:11 <maryjom> ...There's a book reference about the context-sensitive help.
13:39:34 <matatk> q+
13:40:42 <matatk> ack maryjom
13:40:45 <matatk> ack matatk
13:41:30 <maryjom> maryjom: I will go ahead and add the content to Janina's PR and let everyone know when that's ready to review.
13:41:51 <maryjom> ...we'll review it next week.
13:42:33 <maryjom> s/next week/during the week and discuss at the 23 June meeting.
13:42:35 <dmontalvo> http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ -> The Art of Unix Programming
13:42:45 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
13:42:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
13:42:55 <dmontalvo> rrsagent, make minutes
13:43:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html dmontalvo
13:43:31 <maryjom> zakim, end meeting
13:43:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, matatk, mitch, Daniel, maryjom
13:43:31 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:43:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim
13:43:38 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, maryjom; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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13:43:38 <maryjom> rrsagent, bye
13:43:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items