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11:05:39 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
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11:05:54 <pchampin> meeting: 'Profile' task force'
11:05:57 <LarsG> Chair: roba
11:06:45 <aisaac> scribenick: aisaac
11:07:46 <aisaac> roba: intros
11:08:00 <aisaac> LarsG: I'm back at the German Natl Library
11:08:11 <aisaac> ... my main goal is to get the recommendation back on track
11:08:23 <aisaac> ... especially wrt the IETF process
11:08:45 <aisaac> Yousouf_Taghzouti: my PHD is semantic content negotiation
11:08:55 <aisaac> ... beyond the classicial dimensions
11:09:08 <aisaac> ... for me profiles are the way to go
11:09:24 <aisaac> ... Unfortunately when I joined it was the time when the group stop pushing the effort
11:09:40 <aisaac> ... Antoine suggested that I join the group
11:10:42 <pchampin> scribe+
11:10:54 <pchampin> aisaac: stilla at Europeana
11:11:09 <pchampin> ... to be honnest, I don't have much time
11:11:36 <LarsG> s/stilla/still/
11:11:41 <pchampin> ... invoved in Data Spaces (something the EU pushes)
11:11:55 <pchampin> ... in which profiles can have a role
11:12:19 <aisaac> pchampin: several hats. Initially I was interested via RDF*
11:12:30 <aisaac> ... working on RDF1.2
11:12:59 <aisaac> ... and the extension to have edges on edges
11:13:22 <aisaac> ... We want not to break any of the existing systems/data
11:13:29 <aisaac> ... Profiles may be a way to do this.
11:13:55 <aisaac> ... My 2nd hat is that I'm the W3C Staff contact for DXWG
11:14:06 <aisaac> roba: I'm with the open geospatial consortium
11:14:24 <aisaac> ... The needs for providing several views on the same data are quite strong
11:15:04 <aisaac> ... I was working on metadata for data profiles and Phil Archer invited me to DXWG
11:15:27 <aisaac> ... Defining profiles has been very difficult
11:15:42 <aisaac> ... In the meantime we've worked on infrastructure
11:16:06 <aisaac> ... It also touches on the depth of graph traversal (what to include in a response)
11:16:28 <aisaac> ... The Open API spec is prevalent in a lot of OGC work.
11:16:59 <aisaac> ... We use the profile vocabulary for a lot of things.
11:17:14 <aisaac> ... But I wanted to leave that until we progress on Conneg
11:17:52 <aisaac> ... There were a few people on the spec. Hopefully we can reach out to them.
11:18:01 <aisaac> Topic: update on the IETF process
11:18:26 <aisaac> LarsG: it's still stuck. One has to be part of the consortium
11:18:47 <aisaac> ... we've tried the XXX working group and the HTTP API one. Got negative answers.
11:19:07 <aisaac> ... We've tried with a group handling internet drafts
11:19:20 <aisaac> ... I would have to come back to them, asking where this would fit
11:19:27 <aisaac> ... "informative" RFC
11:19:35 <aisaac> roba: how can we support?
11:19:55 <aisaac> LarsG: I don't need support from this WG. Hopefully with Ruben and HErbert
11:20:30 <aisaac> roba: are there other pathways which potentially influence the IETF discussions? Open API?
11:20:30 <pchampin> q+
11:21:07 <aisaac> pchampin: do you know if there's any application of profile-based conneg in Solid?
11:21:14 <aisaac> LarsG: not that I know of
11:21:24 <aisaac> pchampin: maybe I can ping Ruben about that.
11:21:39 <aisaac> ... Solid is currently developed in a CG but we're working on a WG charter
11:21:48 <aisaac> ... hopefully for the summer
11:22:04 <aisaac> ... If there's interest for profiles in that WG it would be an interesting liaison
11:22:30 <LarsG> q+
11:22:36 <pchampin> q-
11:22:38 <aisaac> roba: at the moment we've in a vacuum. We're solving a particular problem that may not be understood
11:22:44 <aisaac> ... but there's no competition
11:23:06 <aisaac> LarsG: we're in a better state because there are implementations
11:23:19 <LarsG> q-
11:23:28 <aisaac> q+
11:23:39 <aisaac> q-
11:24:08 <aisaac> s/XXX/HTTP-bis
11:25:13 <LarsG> q+ to ask about liaison IETF/W3C
11:25:48 <aisaac> For the record we cannot identify other alternative pathways to influence IETF discussions (wrt to the question above)
11:26:12 <aisaac> LarsG: is there a liaison between W3C and IETF?
11:26:17 <aisaac> pchampin: I can check
11:26:23 <LarsG> q-
11:26:27 <aisaac> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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11:26:37 <aisaac> Topic: meeting time
11:27:15 <aisaac> roba: there's another person working on JSON-Schema who could be interested, but in the US West coast
11:27:40 <aisaac> ... I will ask him whether there is a connection between Open API and this (he also works on Open API)
11:28:33 <aisaac> aisaac: please don't make an effort for me, wrt setting the time!
11:28:37 <aisaac> Topic: open issues
11:28:44 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues
11:29:43 <aisaac> roba: I went through them and have done some triage
11:30:41 <aisaac> present+ LarsG , pchampin , roba , aisaac , Yousouf_Taghzouti
11:30:53 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/31 is typs
11:30:54 <aisaac> regrets+ Nick Car
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11:31:14 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/33
11:31:35 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/34
11:31:54 <aisaac> regrets+ kcoyle
11:32:23 <aisaac> roba: these are simple issues
11:32:33 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/35
11:32:59 <aisaac> roba: I propose to close them
11:33:44 <aisaac> One issue is about a broken link to the editor's draft from the PWD
11:34:01 <aisaac> ... How does one fix such a reference in the PWD?
11:35:31 <aisaac> pchampin: we could modify a broken link on a doc in TR. But in this specific case we could add something at the current link, because it's in control of DXWG
11:35:47 <aisaac> ... Maybe a note saying "this doc has moved, please see [here]"
11:36:02 <aisaac> ... I could make a PR on that repository
11:36:33 <aisaac> roba: this would be great.
11:36:47 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/pull/42
11:37:25 <aisaac> ... Can we move on an close these issues, looking at the PR?
11:37:40 <aisaac> LarsG: Nick and I could review?
11:37:57 <aisaac> Yousouf_Taghzouti: I could give it a try
11:38:00 <aisaac> q+
11:38:18 <aisaac> q-
11:41:28 <aisaac> aisaac: it would be great to add the link to the PR
11:42:31 <aisaac> PROPOSED: close 31,33,34,35,42 as soon as the corresponding fixes are implented
11:42:39 <pchampin> +1
11:42:41 <aisaac> +1
11:42:42 <roba> +1
11:42:44 <Yousouf_Taghzouti> +1
11:42:44 <LarsG> +1
11:42:56 <aisaac> RESOLVED: close 31,33,34,35,42 as soon as the corresponding fixes are implemented
11:45:04 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/27
11:45:26 <roba> will propose an improved version as per suggestion
11:47:00 <aisaac> aisaac: having a subclass of Resource also called Resource doesn't seem ok.
11:47:20 <aisaac> roba: we'll take it offline and develop a proposal
11:47:41 <aisaac> aisaac: removing this class entirely would look better practice
11:48:21 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/6
11:48:30 <aisaac> roba: issue 6 has been labeled 'due-for-closing'
11:48:39 <aisaac> ACTION: Antoine to study issue 6
11:49:33 <aisaac> aisaac: this looks like it's a request to have a document explaining what profiles are. Not trivial ;-)
11:49:45 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/2
11:49:50 <aisaac> ... Maybe we could park it elsewhere, if it still applies
11:49:59 <aisaac> ... (this is about 6 not 2)
11:50:33 <aisaac> roba: for issue 2 we've tweaked the wording.
11:51:34 <aisaac> ... the sentence has been changed from MUST to MAY
11:51:49 <aisaac> ... Maybe we can quickly discuss this.
11:52:27 <aisaac> ... a lot of the issue was a long rambling discussion
11:53:47 <aisaac> LarsG: this sounds like an academic case
11:53:50 <aisaac> +1
11:53:54 <aisaac> -1
11:56:06 <aisaac> aisaac: I think I agree with the remarks but it could be good to advertise it to the group as part of the next call's agenda
11:56:27 <aisaac> ... we've covered a lot of ground today and this could be an opportunity to make noise about the sub-group's resuming
11:56:34 <aisaac> roba: agreed!
11:57:04 <aisaac> ... in the meantime it would be good for everyone to look at the issues and say which ones they'd like to tackle for the next meeting
11:58:02 <aisaac> ... for some I need more time thinking about it
12:00:00 <aisaac> ... Everyone feel free to comment and vote on your priority issues!
12:00:34 <aisaac> Topic: frequency of meetings
12:00:43 <aisaac> roba: every two weeks or every month?
12:00:56 <aisaac> LarsG: every two weeks, for trying to keep the momentum
12:01:07 <aisaac> pchampin: same time?
12:01:21 <aisaac> roba: yes until we have strong hints by other potential contributors
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