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15:28:45 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
15:28:46 <MichaelC> zakim, clear agenda
15:28:46 <MichaelC> meeting: WAI Coordination
15:28:46 <MichaelC> chair: MichaelC
15:28:46 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2023Jun/0000.html
15:28:46 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:28:47 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -final
15:28:48 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:28:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Infoshare and coordination checks
15:28:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Switching to zakim commands
15:28:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Exploration on project reviews
15:28:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Project check-ins
15:28:49 <MichaelC> present+
15:28:51 <MichaelC> regrets+ Chuck
15:28:58 <MichaelC> agenda+ Citing WAI resources
15:29:54 <tzviya> present+
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15:31:12 <GeorgeK> present+
15:31:20 <janina> present+
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15:31:35 <matatk> present+
15:32:13 <janina> present+
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15:32:19 <jamesn> present+
15:32:27 <Lionel> Present+
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15:32:44 <MichaelC> agenda+ New WAI CC telecon info
15:32:46 <matatk> q+ to ask for an agendum on citing WAI guidelines generally
15:33:07 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
15:33:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Infoshare and coordination checks -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:33:36 <matatk> scribe+ matatk
15:33:40 <matatk> ack matatk
15:33:40 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to ask for an agendum on citing WAI guidelines generally
15:33:52 <janina> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/results
15:34:14 <matatk> janina: Please vote on the APA re-charter
15:34:32 <matatk> janina: One person asked for a change, which we intend to accommodate
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15:34:43 <MichaelC> q+
15:35:29 <matatk> MichaelC: APA's re-charter is open until the June 20th. It would be good (but not mandatory) to get more votes.
15:35:30 <MichaelC> ack me
15:35:37 <jamesn> is there a link to the charter?
15:35:56 <matatk> subtopic: AB election results
15:36:29 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/9933
15:36:30 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/9933 HT tzviya
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15:37:33 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:37:33 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Switching to zakim commands -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:37:50 <matatk> MichaelC: Trackbot is being retired. Some people are still using it, e.g. to start meetings.
15:38:10 <matatk> ... You may want to remind your groups to switch to 'zakim, start meeting'
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15:39:06 <matatk> janina: I like the 'zakim, end meeting' command; helps run needed cleanup (e.g. attendees list) in addition to making the minutes for you.
15:39:14 <matatk> GeorgeK: Is there a link to Zakim docs?
15:39:17 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
15:39:44 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
15:39:44 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Exploration on project reviews -- taken up [from agendabot]
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15:40:58 <matatk> MichaelC: Mini project reviews would be ~10min presentations in which we go into enough depth that people have an understanding of what the work is, the use cases, and relation to the work we're all doing.
15:41:06 <matatk> ... Would something like this be of interest?
15:41:16 <matatk> q+
15:41:27 <janina> scribe+
15:41:39 <janina> matatk: Would like to know what's being done elsewhere ...
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15:41:50 <janina> matatk: Would be useful
15:41:56 <maryjom> present+
15:42:30 <MichaelC> Interest in adding project reviews to WAI CC
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15:42:35 <janina> +1
15:42:35 <MichaelC> -1, 0, +1
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15:42:44 <matatk> +1
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15:42:53 <Lionel> +1
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15:43:21 <jamesn> 0
15:43:27 <kakinney> 0 - joined late so i won't vote
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15:43:40 <tzviya> +1
15:44:14 <matatk> MichaelC: I'll put together a more solid plan for how this would work.
15:44:43 <matatk> MichaelC: Are there other ways of keeping ourselves well-coordinated that come to the top of people's minds?
15:45:07 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:45:07 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, matatk
15:45:10 <matatk> q?
15:45:12 <matatk> ack me
15:45:15 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:45:15 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Project check-ins -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:45:48 <matatk> MichaelC: No news this week (working on it in the background). Anyone with anything to add?
15:46:01 <matatk> zakim, close this item
15:46:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:46:02 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:46:02 <Zakim> 5. Citing WAI resources [from MichaelC]
15:46:03 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:46:03 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Citing WAI resources -- taken up [from MichaelC]
15:46:14 <matatk> Thanks Shawn for this info: https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/linking/
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15:47:12 <janina> matatk: Background: Good contact with other groups like adding A11y Considerations sections to their docs
15:47:52 <janina> matatk: Even had groups that didn't think they had an a11y impact, but our interaction helped them to understand they did, and how a AC section could help
15:48:09 <janina> matatk: helpful to link to guidelines when we can that are pertinent
15:48:31 <janina> . Rather not just link to overview--great, but not as much impact
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15:48:53 <janina> . importantly doesn't appear in references at bottom of the document
15:49:16 <MichaelC> q+ to answer the technical part
15:49:21 <janina> . Could we have a respec id, whatever that is, so that the AC could be citable?
15:49:35 <janina> MichaelC: Yes, possible to do in respec
15:49:42 <janina> MichaelC: And it needn't be a TR doc
15:49:54 <janina> MichaelC: How we want it to look, i.e. what's the common pattern?
15:49:57 <Lionel> q?
15:50:03 <MichaelC> ack me
15:50:03 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to answer the technical part
15:50:28 <MichaelC> -> respec localbiblio https://respec.org/docs/#localBiblio
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15:50:51 <tzviya> q+
15:50:52 <janina> matatk: We had a suboptimal example where WCAG in general was cited, but could have had better #offset href
15:51:26 <janina> tzviya: asks whether citations or ...
15:51:47 <MichaelC> q+ to ask about citable resources
15:51:48 <matatk> Here's the page we're thinking would be good to make into a citation: https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/
15:51:58 <shawn> s/citations or .../citations or boilterplate
15:52:02 <tzviya> ack me
15:52:03 <shawn> q+
15:52:03 <janina> s/.../boilerplate/
15:52:07 <MichaelC> ack me
15:52:07 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to ask about citable resources
15:52:09 <jamesn> q+
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15:52:54 <janina> MichaelC: An editorial question, I normally think of an academic citation; some of our support resources straddle the line between citation and href
15:53:01 <MichaelC> ack s
15:53:14 <janina> shawn: Great this has come up, would like to look at the specific case
15:53:36 <matatk> q+
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15:53:41 <janina> shawn: Happy to help resolve referencability
15:53:52 <jamesn> ack me
15:54:22 <tzviya> +1 to updating specref
15:54:24 <janina> jamesn: Think we shouldn't use local biblio, rather get specref updated correctly
15:54:38 <shawn> q+ to ask for link to spec ref
15:54:42 <MichaelC> -> https://www.specref.org/ Specref
15:54:43 <tzviya> https://www.specref.org/
15:54:45 <shawn> q-
15:54:52 <janina> jamesn: Notes current default wcag points to 1.0, so needs better referencing
15:54:53 <MichaelC> q+
15:55:01 <janina> matatk: Will follow up with Shawn
15:55:13 <MichaelC> q+ to say specref update we should qa
15:55:16 <MichaelC> ack ma
15:55:25 <janina> matatk: Agree on academic, but helping raise awareness is useful, too
15:55:30 <jamesn> https://www.specref.org/?q=WCAG
15:55:44 <janina> matatk: Agree on specref
15:56:12 <MichaelC> ack me
15:56:12 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say specref update we should qa
15:56:17 <Lionel> +1 to James idea, of pointing to more current versions
15:56:27 <janina> MichaelC: spec ref should not contain everything either
15:56:36 <janina> MichaelC: local biblio first, in my general approach
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15:56:52 <janina> MichaelC: We could create a pr for spec ref
15:57:07 <janina> MichaelC: meanwhile a local biblio--but don't forget to migrate away!
15:57:23 <janina> jamesn: people tend not to change once it's working
15:57:52 <janina> action: Matthew and Shawn to conferon a solution for referencing
15:58:12 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
15:58:12 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- New WAI CC telecon info -- taken up [from MichaelC]
16:03:00 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/05-waicc-minutes.html matatk
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