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14:01:50 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato
14:07:30 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
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14:07:54 <McCool_> (lurking for now, will join call in an hour)
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14:08:40 <kaz> scribenick: mjk_
14:09:02 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
14:10:11 <kaz> chair: Ege/Koster
14:10:24 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:10:37 <kaz> topic: Minutes
14:11:09 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/05/17-wot-td-minutes.html May-17
14:14:42 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:16:14 <kaz> topic: TPAC
14:16:25 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda TPAC wiki
14:16:49 <kaz> ek: any changes about the attendance?
14:17:07 <kaz> ca: not sure yet
14:17:20 <kaz> ... so pleas add me to "not Clear"
14:17:30 <kaz> lb: same here
14:17:44 <kaz> ek: (adds Cristiano and Luca to "not Clear")
14:18:04 <kaz> ... what about you Koster?
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14:18:10 <kaz> mjk: remote
14:18:43 <kaz> ek: topics for TD?
14:19:03 <kaz> ... at least JSON-LD collab
14:19:15 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
14:19:31 <kaz> lb: might want to talk about data mapping in general
14:19:39 <kaz> ... how to use data schema, etc.
14:19:50 <kaz> q+
14:20:25 <kaz> mjk: RDF applications and design pattern in general
14:20:37 <kaz> ... sort of related to data mapping
14:21:01 <kaz> ... could be handled by RDF or maybe by JSON
14:21:08 <kaz> ... what is the pattern for that purpose?
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14:21:28 <kaz> ek: think what Luca means is rather payload level
14:21:34 <cris__> q+
14:22:29 <kaz> ack k
14:23:36 <kaz> kaz: "data mapping in general" is a bit vague
14:23:45 <kaz> ... could you elaborate it a bit more?
14:24:06 <kaz> ... what king of data withing TD or Binding Template to be mapped to what?
14:24:34 <kaz> lb: supporting JSON-LD without full JSON-LD processing
14:24:43 <kaz> ... also how to use data schema
14:24:56 <kaz> q+
14:25:30 <kaz> ... in my use case of labeling some device
14:26:00 <kaz> ... how to use the data schema in a clearer manner
14:26:25 <kaz> ack k
14:26:36 <kaz> kaz: ok
14:26:48 <kaz> ... would be helpful if you could describe that based on a concrete use case scenario
14:26:56 <kaz> ... when we discuss the topic (not now :)
14:27:06 <kaz> lb: ok, will prepare something for that purpose
14:27:12 <kaz> q?
14:27:38 <kaz> ek: Koster, do you want to talk about TD in RDF?
14:28:44 <kaz> mjk: semantic annotation to have richer information
14:28:54 <kaz> ... all the information to be integrated
14:29:04 <kaz> ... maybe need to elaborate the idea a bit more
14:29:06 <kaz> q?
14:29:07 <kaz> q+
14:29:19 <Mizushima> q+
14:29:31 <kaz> ca: basically would support those points
14:29:49 <kaz> ... also validaton of different ontology models
14:29:57 <kaz> ... how to work with Things
14:30:53 <kaz> ... btw, are we starting with brainstorming there during TPAC?
14:30:55 <kaz> ek: yeah
14:31:07 <sebastian> q+
14:31:08 <kaz> ca: how long?
14:31:11 <kaz> ack c
14:31:23 <kaz> ek: would have topics first
14:31:38 <kaz> ca: maybe less than two hours?
14:31:42 <kaz> ek: need to check
14:34:08 <kaz> kaz: please think about concrete use cases
14:34:27 <kaz> ... and if possibly try some broader example like smart cities, smart building, etc.
14:35:00 <kaz> ... also please remember McCool mentioned we could have a preleminary or followup meeting before or after TPAC
14:35:01 <kaz> ack k
14:35:02 <kaz> ack m
14:35:25 <kaz> mizu: we should build consensus about what to be described by TD spec
14:35:37 <kaz> kaz: you mean refactoring of the spec?
14:35:40 <kaz> mizu: yes
14:36:02 <kaz> ... the expected spec will be Ver. 2.0
14:36:06 <kaz> ... so it's a major version up
14:36:14 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
14:36:29 <kaz> ... therefore we should make consensus about what to do there
14:36:34 <kaz> q?
14:36:38 <kaz> ek: right
14:37:08 <kaz> ... explaining the major version udpate
14:37:10 <Ege> q?
14:37:19 <kaz> ... including major refactoring
14:37:21 <kaz> ack s
14:37:41 <kaz> sk: be aware TPAC will be held in September
14:38:23 <kaz> ... on the other hand, many of the topics here are relevant for the upcoming months too
14:38:25 <kaz> q?
14:38:27 <kaz> q+
14:39:10 <kaz> ek: yeah
14:39:28 <kaz> ... we don't need to wait
14:40:25 <kaz> kaz: as McCool mentioned during the main call, we're planning to have a dedicated meeting in June
14:40:37 <kaz> ... to think about what to do in the next Charter period
14:40:45 <kaz> ... so we can talk about some of these topics there
14:41:08 <kaz> ek: you can add further update to the wiki
14:41:20 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda TPAC wiki
14:41:29 <kaz> ek: please put your name when you add edits
14:42:02 <kaz> topic: Binding Templates
14:42:17 <kaz> subtopic: PR 290
14:42:42 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/290 wot-binding-templates PR 290 - Publication Prep
14:42:57 <kaz> ek: Kaz let us know about the basic procedure for publication
14:43:18 <Ege> https://deploy-preview-290--wot-binding-templates.netlify.app/publication/note3/overview
14:43:27 <kaz> ... put the information to README.md under wot-binding-templates
14:43:44 <kaz> ... checking the document using the Pubrules checker
14:44:11 <kaz> ... wondering how to change the document status
14:44:12 <kaz> q+
14:45:03 <kaz> ack k
14:45:35 <kaz> kaz: you can specify the document type using the ReSpec parameter
14:45:47 <kaz> ... you can look at the ReSpec page to see the detail
14:46:16 <kaz> ek: ok
14:46:41 <kaz> -> https://respec.org/docs/ ReSpec documentation
14:48:35 <kaz> ek: seems HTML Tidy doesn't work properly
14:49:04 <kaz> kaz: please try "tidy -i -m Overview.html"
14:49:38 <kaz> ... note that if there is some fatal/difficult error, Tidy gives up to fix the HTML
14:50:03 <kaz> ... there is a Tidy documentation, also you can simply use "tidy --help"
14:50:36 <kaz> -> https://www.html-tidy.org HTML Tidy documentation
14:51:49 <kaz> kaz: I myself usually use a Makefile for that purpose, and can share that file with you
14:53:46 <kaz> ek: t
14:53:51 <kaz> s/: t/: tx/
14:55:30 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Guide /Guide
14:56:59 <kaz> kaz: once you've confirmed the HTML is OK with the Pubrules checker, Validator, Link Checker, etc., I can double check it and work on the publication
14:57:20 <kaz> ek: how to get the information on the Validator and the Link Checker?
14:57:38 <kaz> kaz: there are links from the Pubrules checker results
14:57:53 <kaz> ... please see also the /Guide page above
14:57:57 <kaz> ek: ok
14:58:04 <kaz> ... will work on the checker again
14:58:59 <mjk_> scribenick: mjk_
14:58:59 <kaz> topic: Thing Description
14:58:59 <mjk_> topic: TD
14:58:59 <kaz> s/topic: Thing Description//
14:59:12 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
14:59:16 <kaz> q?
14:59:40 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1831
14:59:54 <mjk_> subtopic: issue #1831
15:00:04 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1831 wot-thing-description Issue 1831 - Problem with Respec
15:00:09 <kaz> s/subtopic: Issue 1831//
15:00:10 <mjk_> ege: close
15:00:21 <mjk_> ege: PRs
15:00:33 <mjk_> subtopic: PR #1826
15:01:23 <mjk_> mm: internal immutable identifier
15:01:37 <kaz> i|inter|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1826 wot-thing-description PR 1826 - Resolve privacy-immutable-id-as-property|
15:01:43 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:01:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft miutes
15:01:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft miutes', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:02:00 <mjk_> ... didn't get implementations, removed assertion and changed language to should (lower case)
15:02:01 <Ege> q?
15:02:14 <mjk_> ege: any objections to merge?
15:02:45 <mjk_> ... merged
15:03:04 <mjk_> subtopic: PR #1827
15:03:25 <mjk_> ege: try https first for remote links
15:03:47 <mjk_> ... also removed assertion and changed language to should
15:04:00 <kaz> i|try|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1827 wot-thing-description PR 1827 - Resolve security-context-secure-fetch|
15:04:01 <mjk_> ... any objections to merging?
15:04:51 <mjk_> mm: maybe belongs as part of RDF framework
15:05:09 <mjk_> ... merged
15:05:24 <mjk_> subtopic: PR #1828
15:05:41 <mjk_> ege: remove device flow from Oauth
15:06:48 <mjk_> mm: removes the RFC reference
15:07:09 <mjk_> ... only client and code flows are left
15:07:37 <mjk_> ... also removed a reference to the device flow in the discovery spec
15:07:42 <mjk_> ... any objections to merge?
15:08:00 <mjk_> s/.../ege:
15:08:17 <mjk_> ege: merged
15:08:42 <mjk_> mm: will regenerate the implementation report, any other changes?
15:08:59 <mjk_> ege: changed editors notes (PR #1811)
15:09:19 <mjk_> mm: change the document first, then will update the report
15:09:35 <mjk_> subtopic: PR #1811\
15:09:53 <mjk_> s/1811\/1811
15:10:06 <mjk_> ege: changed editors notes to notes
15:10:28 <mjk_> mm:  fixing some grammatical errors
15:12:15 <mjk_> jr: is this paragraph still a note in the document?
15:12:35 <mjk_> mm: it would be consistent with the previous revision to keep it as a note
15:13:03 <McCool_> Instead of a periodic POST call to the Thing
15:13:09 <mjk_> mm: (updating the grammatical error)
15:14:00 <kaz> i|remove dev|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1828 wot-thing-description PR 1828 - Resolve td-security-oauth2-device-flow|
15:14:44 <kaz> i|changed editors n|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1811 wot-thing-description PR 1811 - Resolve 3 editors notes|
15:14:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:14:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:15:05 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:15:27 <mjk_> q?
15:16:43 <mjk_> ege: (edited the PR online)
15:16:50 <mjk_> ... any objections ?
15:17:03 <mjk_> ... merged
15:17:22 <mjk_> ... these are all the editorial PRs
15:17:43 <mjk_> subtopic: PR #1830
15:17:54 <mjk_> Implementation Report update
15:18:02 <mjk_> mm: will update now
15:18:06 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
15:18:08 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:18:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:18:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:18:34 <mjk_> ege: should remove the "at-risk" list
15:18:45 <mjk_> mm: will clean up before publication
15:19:31 <kaz> i|Implementation Rep|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1830 wot-thing-description PR 1830 - WIP: Final Implementation Report update|
15:19:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:19:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:20:43 <mjk_> mm: updated and pushed
15:21:37 <mjk_> ege: (display the rendered file)
15:21:46 <mjk_> mm: still some cleanup to do
15:22:04 <mjk_> ... all at-risk items should be gone
15:23:27 <mjk_> mm: name to interim implementation report
15:23:38 <mjk_> ege: any objections to merge?
15:23:42 <mjk_> ... merged
15:24:11 <mjk_> mm: will send an email when ready, please review and check for any more changes needed
15:24:35 <mjk_> ege: done with the agenda
15:25:14 <mjk_> subtopic: PR #1807 TM namespace not active yet
15:25:35 <mjk_> mm: some other ontology files are also not active
15:26:00 <mjk_> ... the reference needs to change from 2019 to 2022 vesion
15:26:09 <mjk_> mm: will anything break?
15:26:48 <mjk_> ege: no, it could fail validation
15:27:05 <mjk_> s/no, //
15:27:07 <kaz> q+
15:27:45 <mjk_> kaz: we need the specific from and to URLs
15:28:04 <mjk_> ... for the mapping
15:28:54 <mjk_> ... it would be easier to create a subdirectory under the main directory
15:29:14 <mjk_> ege: don't see a tm context
15:29:43 <mjk_> kaz: otherwise a level of approval is needed
15:30:22 <mjk_> s/needed/needed for each revision/
15:30:55 <mjk_> ege: we are done, any other business?
15:31:12 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri Namespace allocation guide
15:31:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:31:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:31:49 <mjk_> ege: thank you, adjourned
15:32:19 <Ege> kaz you have finished the meeting
15:32:48 <kaz> i|some other ont|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1807 wot-thing-description Issue 1807 - TM namespace not active yet|
15:33:22 <Ege> no I wanted to talk regarding the coordination
15:33:35 <Ege> together with Michael Koster
15:33:50 <Ege> Michael are you still around?
15:37:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:37:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-td-minutes.html kaz