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13:48:46 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), maryjom
13:48:55 <maryjom> zakim, clear agenda
13:48:55 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:49:02 <maryjom> chair: Mary Jo Mueller
13:49:58 <maryjom> meeting: WCAG2ICT sub-group meeting on closed functionality
13:50:13 <maryjom> Zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
13:50:13 <Zakim> ok, maryjom
13:52:07 <maryjom> Agenda+ Go over spreadsheet on closed functionality analysis of WCAG SC
13:58:30 <maryjom> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/109GqdIBvvL1WRBryJOis7kS6pRGyeIYKpl63QuTIPnI/edit?usp=sharing
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14:03:56 <Sam> present+
14:03:58 <PhilDay> present+
14:04:02 <olivia-hs> present+
14:04:30 <olivia-hs> scribe+
14:05:02 <olivia-hs> scribe+ olivia-hs
14:05:53 <olivia-hs> zakim, next item
14:05:53 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Go over spreadsheet on closed functionality analysis of WCAG SC -- taken up [from maryjom]
14:06:27 <maryjom> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/109GqdIBvvL1WRBryJOis7kS6pRGyeIYKpl63QuTIPnI/edit?usp=sharing
14:08:00 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: Generic comments that apply across many or all SC
14:09:02 <olivia-hs> Greg went through and tagged programmatically determinable SC
14:11:25 <olivia-hs> Closed products are closed to everything. Assistive technology cannot be installed on closed functionality products. That's the distinction we want to use as the EN is.
14:15:46 <olivia-hs> If AT is offered than the product is not closed
14:21:07 <maryjom> Poll: Should we have a note or text that says it is out of scope for our TF to come up with alternate requirements to cover different disabilities
14:21:20 <Sam> +1
14:21:25 <PhilDay> +1
14:21:25 <olivia-hs> +1
14:21:26 <maryjom> +1
14:21:51 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.1.1 Non-text Content
14:25:00 <olivia-hs> Slightly adjust "requires text or a text alternative" to add note on "programmatically determinable"
14:25:15 <maryjom> Modify existing guidance to: requires text or a text alternative in a programmatically determinable form
14:25:31 <PhilDay> +1
14:25:33 <Sam> +1
14:25:35 <maryjom> +1
14:25:37 <olivia-hs> +1
14:26:21 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.2.1 Audio-only and Video-only (Prerecorded)
14:29:36 <olivia-hs> If you have audio only, equivalent information should be provided. Nothing to add.
14:30:00 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.2.2 Captions (Prerecorded)
14:30:23 <olivia-hs> All audio SC stand as they are
14:30:32 <olivia-hs>  TOPIC: 1.2.3 Audio Description or Media Alternative (Prerecorded)
14:34:51 <olivia-hs> Transcript alone does not meet this, audio description needs to be synchronized. Leave as is.
14:35:02 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.2.4 Captions (Live)
14:35:05 <olivia-hs> Not a problem
14:35:12 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.2.5 Audio Description (Prerecorded)
14:36:14 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.3.1 Info and Relationships
14:36:25 <olivia-hs> All about programatic information
14:36:54 <olivia-hs> All fine with current
14:37:01 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.3.2 Meaningful Sequence
14:40:12 <olivia-hs> Statement maybe needed to say systems that cannot PD a meaningful sequence should be baked in
14:42:08 <PhilDay> For systems that do not support programmatically determinable such as closed systems, a correct reading sequence should be output
14:43:08 <PhilDay> For systems that do not support programmatically determinable , a correct reading sequence should be output
14:44:22 <olivia-hs> Work on wording
14:44:41 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.3.3 Sensory Characteristics
14:45:00 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.3.4 Orientation (New in WCAG 2.1) (24 May - stop)
14:47:23 <PhilDay> Content that is only used on hardware with a fixed display orientation OR that has no sensor to detect or change the orientation is covered under the essential exception and not required to provide support for orientation changes.
14:47:37 <PhilDay> (Copying from the main SC note)
14:48:27 <maryjom> Poll: Copy the statement regarding fixed display into the closed functionality section.
14:48:33 <PhilDay> +1
14:48:35 <olivia-hs> +1
14:48:37 <maryjom> +1
14:48:42 <Sam> =1
14:48:44 <Sam> +1
14:49:24 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.3.5 Identify Input Purpose (New in WCAG 2.1)
14:52:51 <olivia-hs> Autocomplete not relevant to most closed systems. Closed functionality is not going to remember your information.
14:53:57 <olivia-hs> Could comment on input field labels, additional labels may be helpful. But autocompletion could not be allowed.
14:54:18 <olivia-hs> Come pack to wording.
14:54:27 <olivia-hs> back*
14:55:02 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.4.1 Use of Color
14:55:05 <olivia-hs> Not a problem
14:55:24 <olivia-hs> TOPIC: 1.4.2 Audio Control
14:55:34 <olivia-hs> Stopping here for next week
14:56:43 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
14:56:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
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