IRC log of adapt on 2023-05-15

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger

13:46:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]

Meeting: Adapt Task Force Monday May 15 Weekly Teleconference

13:55:29 [Lionel_Wolberger]

zakim, clear agenda

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agenda cleared

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agenda+ Administrivia: Meeting on Memorial Day?

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agenda+ A11y4Children ontology follow-ups

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agenda+ Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240

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agenda+ Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis

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agenda+ Review open issues

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agenda+ Test to show rendering symbols do not 'break' existing pages

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agenda+ Recruiting

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agenda+ Registry update

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agenda+ Symbol Module Implementations

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agenda+ User Agents and Symbols (e.g. Immersive Reader)

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present+

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present+

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present+

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scribe+ matatk

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present+

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agenda?

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Administrivia: Meeting on Memorial Day? -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

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suptopic: Zoom

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subtopic: Zoom

14:07:17 [matatk]

janina: W3C now has its own Zoom set-up. Matthew, Roy, and I were able to play with it last week, and it has some really cool accessibility features.

14:07:26 [matatk]

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14:08:10 [matatk]

zakim, who's here?

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Present: janina, mike_beganyi, Lionel_Wolberger, Sharon, Roy, Russell, matatk

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janina: Interlinear translations are now possible, e.g. you can show what someone's saying in both Chinese and English.

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present+

14:09:42 [matatk]

janina: We'll find out soon if we can pin the ASL interpreter (i.e. if they are meeting the RAUR).

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... ( https://www.w3.org/TR/raur/ )

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present- mike_beganyi

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14:11:21 [Lionel_Wolberger]

q?

14:11:43 [matatk]

janina: We will have new meeting details for the group and TF meetings.

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... We will make an announcement to all groups.

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... The W3.org teleconf info page will remain at the same address, but the meeting ID will change.

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subtopic: Meetings in the next couple of weeks

14:17:28 [matatk]

Sharon: Memorial day is the 29th, and US won't be able to make it.

14:17:41 [matatk]

matatk: I can't make the 29th either (UK holiday).

14:17:54 [russell]

q?

14:17:56 [matatk]

Lionel_Wolberger: We _will_ meet on the 22nd, but not on the 29th.

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- A11y4Children ontology follow-ups -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:18:16 [matatk]

Lionel_Wolberger: janina sent her email to ping them.

14:18:28 [matatk]

q+

14:19:36 [matatk]

matatk: Wanted to ask if we may see them at TPAC.

14:19:47 [matatk]

janina: Not yet (wanted to concentrate on current message/work).

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matatk: WFM

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ack me

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agendum 3 -- Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:21:13 [janina]

q+

14:21:22 [matatk]

russell: There is a problem with using the Unicode code points for IDs, in that we are tying the ID to the graphical representation. That's not the way it works with the BCI IDs, and I don't think it's the way it should work,

14:21:53 [matatk]

... because the graphical reprsesentation can change. This has happened, becuase things do change. Almost every [Bliss] release, there are modifications to the symbols.

14:22:59 [matatk]

Lionel_Wolberger: This brings to mind primary key; the Unicode CPs don't sound like appropriate primary keys.

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s/modifications to the symbols/modifications to a small number of the symbols/

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q?

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ack janina

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q?

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14:24:32 [matatk]

janina: Thanks russell for your perspective on this. The W3C view would, and should, be that the primary key is tied to the concept, not the symbol.

14:24:48 [matatk]

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janina: Remembering from college, a lesson that signs and symbosl are not the same thing.

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s/not the symbol

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s/not the symbol/not the representation/

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russell: Something that can happen with the BCI ID system is that it is possible to get two IDs that refer to essentially the same concept, but they are natural cases that can happen with language, as representations (like spellings) change.

14:27:17 [matatk]

s/the concept, not the symbol/the concept, not the representation/

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14:27:28 [Lionel_Wolberger]

q?

14:27:48 [matatk]

janina: This is great stuff russell, and the right approach to thinking on it to've taken.

14:28:05 [matatk]

russell: I've tried to be as objective/impartial as possible.

14:28:39 [matatk]

janina: We'd like to leave the follow-up with you; you're welcome to draft a reply and we can respond on the Adapt list.

14:34:25 [Lionel_Wolberger]

q?

14:36:09 [matatk]

Lionel_Wolberger: I'll take the action to draft our response.

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]

14:36:38 [matatk]

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https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis,-WAI-Adapt-Content-Attributes

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scribe+

14:38:49 [janina]

matatk: Have read most through, not yet finished with microformats

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matatk: will add actions for what's left ...

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matatk: pleased with the shape of the doc

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Lionel_Wolberger: Should we work as a group now? Or hold off and do some more on the side?

14:39:44 [janina]

matatk: Let's review the goals

14:40:03 [janina]

matatk: Might be good to reinforce what gaps we're talking about

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Lionel_Wolberger: Points to the 3rd paragraph ...

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Lionel_Wolberger: our work has included comparing what's possible in similar vocabularies

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Lionel_Wolberger: we realized we need a quick reference memoralized, up to date, and highly available for that question

14:41:40 [janina]

Lionel_Wolberger: because that question comes up, and the impact assessment is critical to communicate

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Lionel_Wolberger: and from that our decision

14:42:26 [matatk]

q+

14:42:38 [janina]

Lionel_Wolberger: we want to be in the position to answer: "Been there, done the analysis, here's what was missing and what we're plugging"

14:42:49 [janina]

matatk: Understood ...

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ack mat

14:43:14 [janina]

matatk: one thing we should clarify .. perhaps only in the headings ??

14:43:40 [janina]

matatk: we're looking at technologies, but it's maybe not clear that we want mq to resolve purpose, etc.

14:43:52 [janina]

matatk: not all comparable tech is about all our goals

14:44:18 [janina]

matatk: we should phps clarify which comparative ml we're gap analyzing for which of our objectives

14:44:34 [janina]

matatk: Other thing ...

14:44:58 [janina]

matatk: We have some good details from analysis done before, and we've come to the same conclusions as before

14:45:21 [janina]

matatk: phps don't need to worry to much about broken urls, ...

14:46:06 [janina]

Lionel_Wolberger: for each related vocab

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Lionel_Wolberger: which related vocabulary, specify which parts of the proposed Adapt spec are germane

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s/which related vocabulary/for each related vocabulary/

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s/much about broken urls, .../much about broken urls - let's organize the wiki clearly around the gap analysis structure proposed here./

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Lionel_Wolberger: *revsises heading structure described in the intro, to address the clarity suggestion above*

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14:49:34 [Lionel_Wolberger]

q?

14:50:26 [janina]

matatk: could see us splitting the page to a page per attribute lest it get too large

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present+

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zakim, make minutes

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I don't understand 'make minutes', Lionel_Wolberger

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