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15:02:31 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:02:39 <julierawe> present+
15:02:42 <jeanne> present+
15:02:44 <Becca_Monteleone> present+
15:02:49 <Katy> present+
15:02:53 <JohnRochford> Julie, would you please email me the Zoom invite info?
15:02:56 <JohnRochford> present+
15:03:37 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JKJ32DK_A82ahsQ_k0RVPc-ZYpX5uuKtuGOLdo2OqyY/edit#
15:04:29 <julierawe> Jeanne said Rachael confirmed we are OK to share working draft with list of outcomes and 1 test for Common words
15:04:55 <JohnRochford> Julie, would you please email me the Zoom invite info? (Would someone please tell me they are seeing this message?)
15:05:02 <julierawe> Jeanne said the latest thinking is to share the working draft via survey so we get feedback on this is what happens when you narrow the outcomes
15:05:16 <julierawe> John: I'll email you
15:05:29 <JohnRochford> ok tx
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15:06:20 <julierawe> John: I just emailed you
15:07:10 <Katy> We will go through the last 6 items in our outcomes.
15:08:03 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JKJ32DK_A82ahsQ_k0RVPc-ZYpX5uuKtuGOLdo2OqyY/edit#
15:08:21 <JohnRochford> Kirkwood, thank you for helping me get into this meeting.
15:09:49 <Katy> Julie changed no. 15 to say the more common Topic Sentence as the bold lead in.
15:11:09 <Katy> Next step on 19 - focus on using White Space and how it gets used.
15:11:28 <Katy> Becca: should we call it blank space not white space for accuracy.
15:12:46 <Katy> Julie: Clear background is now separated out as slightly different.
15:13:49 <Katy> Jeanne: clear background makes it a lot easier to read something.
15:14:25 <Katy> John R: agrees but it's not always about colour constrast; could also be about patterns.
15:19:00 <Katy> Yes I think that's clearer now
15:20:02 <Katy> John K: text over photos is a common problem
15:22:58 <Katy> John K: amended to - graphic designers do not commonly do this but where it exists it is problematic for people with visual processing issues
15:24:22 <Katy> John K: worried about scope creep. Important but should this be included in clear language?
15:24:48 <kirkwood> John K/John F
15:24:58 <jeanne> q+ to say text appearance
15:25:59 <kirkwood> present+
15:26:35 <kirkwood> John F: appearance of test is not plain language
15:27:02 <kirkwood> John F: appearance of text is not plain language
15:27:02 <Katy> John R: same issue as facial expressions
15:27:53 <Katy> Becca: number 19 - blank space is an element of visual spacing, and less about visual appearance of text but arrangement of text. Can this be included in chunking?
15:29:02 <Katy> Julie: if chunking is an outcome, we return to clustering problem
15:29:18 <kirkwood> [my bad. not John F I meant John R, argh] ;)
15:31:41 <Katy> John R, Jeanne, John K, Katy, Becca recommend removing Clear background from our outcomes
15:33:25 <Katy> Jeanne thinks no 21 belongs here, rather than elsewhere
15:37:47 <Katy> Julia: suggests media not document
15:39:50 <Katy> Julie: audio/media is included in Making Content Usable.
15:40:30 <Katy> John R: more and more video content
15:42:26 <Katy> Julie: should the meta description below the video be in plain language
15:44:52 <Katy> Julie: should navigation of videos via chapters be included here?
15:46:19 <Katy> John K:  plain language summary of videos is very important
15:47:49 <Katy> John K: in Youtube videos sectioning is built in. We should include in our outcomes.
15:48:05 <Katy> Julie: should we include it in section lengths?
15:49:17 <Katy> John R: good to include video in section length. We should review outcomes and think about how it applies to video
15:51:42 <Katy> Becca: should we change name of this to supplement?
15:54:49 <Katy> Julie: should change to supplement for numerical concepts too.
15:57:19 <Katy> Julie: Santina Croniser suggests in margin to include 'avoid infinitives'. Julie to add as an example.
15:57:50 <Katy> Julie: Will discuss this on Monday COGA group and Jeanne will share further.
15:58:18 <kirkwood> +1
15:58:36 <Katy> John R: we should practice what we preach and add images where we can.
15:59:11 <Katy> Julie: agrees. wants to know if general direction is OK first, then when we build this out we can add images.
16:00:02 <Katy> John R: suggests when we present that we tell people we plan to add images.
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