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18:04:48 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
18:04:48 <Katy> present+
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18:05:06 <julierawe> chair: julie
18:05:07 <jeanne> present+
18:05:25 <julierawe> meeting: Clear language subgroup meeting
18:05:40 <julierawe> date: 05 03 2023
18:06:17 <jeanne> scribe+ jeanne
18:06:19 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JKJ32DK_A82ahsQ_k0RVPc-ZYpX5uuKtuGOLdo2OqyY/edit#heading=h.ho88uer4k9cv
18:09:04 <jeanne> Julie: What is  the latest update with the AGWG chairs and what should be included?
18:09:39 <jeanne> ... we are aiming for 20 outcomes and one outcome built out with a Method and Test
18:10:06 <jeanne> Jeanne: We have a  meeting later this week.  The latest I heard was that we were only going to do Outcomes
18:11:03 <jeanne> Julie: We are going to keep #11 for now and keep a note for now about possibly removing it.
18:11:39 <jeanne> JohnK: Facial Expression isn't really
18:11:48 <jeanne> ... "implied meaning"
18:12:03 <jeanne> Julie: Is it "non-verbal meaning"?
18:12:30 <jeanne> JohnR:  "Non verbal Cue" is the correct label
18:12:55 <jeanne> ... I like the label better but I think it should go.
18:13:06 <jeanne> Julie: Item 12
18:13:57 <jeanne> ... Paragraph length, with conditional tests that give flexibility for bronze Silver gold levels
18:14:22 <jeanne> JohnK: I don't like "divide long text".  Break up long paragraphs into shorter ones.
18:14:51 <jeanne> ... one idea per paragraph is what is generally
18:15:04 <jeanne> Becca: We should also think about sentences per paragraph
18:15:24 <jeanne> JohnR: And words per sentences
18:16:34 <jeanne> Proposed: Break long text into short paragraphs that focus on one idea. Weighting process TBD that rewards content creators for having fewer sentences per paragraph and fewers words per sentence: X for Bronze, Y for Silver, etc.
18:17:42 <jeanne> Jeanne: I recommend not going into detail about Bronze and Silver in case the group decides not to do bronze, silver,gold.
18:18:24 <jeanne> Julie:Item 13 Ssection Length and Headers
18:18:39 <jeanne> ... should we split them up?
18:18:56 <jeanne> Jeanne: there are two different tests.  I think we should split them.
18:21:12 <jeanne> JohnK: What does it even mean in this context?  It's not part of grammar
18:23:05 <jeanne> JohnR: HTML is a good example to illustrate what we are talking about.
18:23:31 <jeanne> Proposed: Section length: Chunk content into short sections, with a small number of paragraphs, to make the information easier to read and understand and to avoid overwhelming users.
18:25:34 <jeanne> Becca: I think we need more definition of a section -- is a horizontal rule a section?
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18:27:16 <jeanne> Jeanne: from WCAG22 https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#dfn-section
18:27:53 <jeanne> a self-contained portion of written content that deals with one or more related topics or thoughts
18:30:59 <jeanne> Julie: Adding a new Outcome: Purpose of Blocks of Text.
18:31:16 <jeanne> JohnR: COntent Usable says to try to put the purpose  of each block of text first
18:36:14 <jeanne> Proposed: Purpose of each paragraph: Put the aim or purpose at the beginning of each paragraph. This is especially important in sections with more than one paragraph.
18:39:10 <jeanne> Julie: Item 16: Lists
18:39:40 <jeanne> Katy: What is it breaking up -- bulleted or numbered?
18:39:52 <jeanne> JohnK: It breaks up walls of text.
18:41:50 <jeanne> Jan: It helps users focus on scannable information
18:42:32 <jeanne> JohnR: Bold text, italic text, colored text all help users focus on information.
18:44:22 <jeanne> Jan: Historically screen readers don't announce semantics of text.
18:45:59 <jeanne> JohnK: in basic HTML, <strong> is bold and <em> is italic
18:48:09 <jeanne> New item: Bold text, italic text, and colored text: Use text formatting such as <strong> for bold, sparingly to help users focus on information.
18:48:44 <Becca_Monteleone> +1 to Jan's point on cognitive load
18:49:40 <jeanne> Jan: we need to take into consideration that some people will not have the ability or knowledge to customize their assistive technology and it will be a barrier for them.  It should work for the default settings  of assistive technologies.
18:53:02 <jeanne> Jeanne: I'm concerned to make sure that we can find research on using bold text sparingly.
18:53:47 <jeanne> Julie: Colored text and links can be very distracting.
18:54:42 <jeanne> Jan: We have to think carefully about how that might be interpreted that we don't want designers not to underline links or use custom colors for links.
18:55:26 <jeanne> Jan: Maybe don't duplicate links on a page, that repeats of links are used sparingly because it creates duplication in the link list.
18:56:29 <jeanne> JohnK will look for research on this new Outcome.
18:56:59 <jeanne> Julie: Next meeting is the 11th to finish 17 to 23.
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18:58:16 <jeanne> Jan: This is my last meeting until mid-November.  Thanks for the leadership that Julie has brought to this group.
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