IRC log of apa on 2023-05-03

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk

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agenda?

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meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference

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Chair: Matthew

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agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements

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agenda+ TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023

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agenda+ New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22

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agenda+ Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues

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agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review

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agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues

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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al

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agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned

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agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ Be done

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regrets+ Gottfried

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]

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close this item

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2 -- TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023 -- taken up [from matatk]

14:06:24 [janina]

matatk: We have an early wiki page and will be populating it

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matatk: We'll be responding to management re cross-group requests this week

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matatk: Notes that not all input from TFs is yet in the wiki

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matatk: People are welcome to add to the wiki

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matatk: Notes we've had good discussions

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matatk: Our problem is prioritization and av ailable staffing cycles

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matatk: Not short of inspirational people with inspired ideas!

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agendum 3 -- New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]

14:08:39 [mike_beganyi]

scribe+

14:08:53 [matatk]

subtopic: Web Payments

14:09:13 [janina]

#323

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https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/323 -> Action 323 review Web Payments Charter by next week (on JaninaSajka) due 3 May 2023

14:09:55 [mike_beganyi]

janina: proposing to let go of it. read it, and we are mentioned in a horizontal review. we'll get to review the APIs later which is sufficient

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14:10:25 [mike_beganyi]

janina: what the user experiences is very much in scope. we can throw issues their way if we find them. we can suspect APIs they generate will support the widgets we want

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matatk: any thoughts on this?

14:11:31 [mike_beganyi]

matatk: no one in queue. I agree with this and thus we can sign off on this.

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janina: will comment in GH

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subtopic: Media Interest Group

14:11:55 [janina]

#324

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https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/324 -> Action 324 review Media and Entertainment Interest Group rechartering (on JaninaSajka) due 3 May 2023

14:12:33 [mike_beganyi]

janina: do we need tweaks in the charter? we might want a small one. we need to make them aware that we're about to come with a list of things that would make sense for a 5-10 year time frame

14:12:43 [Lionel]

s/ailable/available

14:12:49 [mike_beganyi]

janina: multiple groups across WAI that will contributing. a sentence or two acknowledging this will be helpful

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janina: interesting use case out of Research Questions. we'll talk about inter-linear, supporting pronunciation

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janina: cover synchronized video streams of signers in different languages, for example

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janina: could be useful if we figure out technical issues.

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janina: Jason has promised by Friday he will update the current document regarding the additional topics. by the time we file we will hav esomething to point to

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s/esomething/something

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janina: looking for API and other kind of support from other groups over the coming years and make as much of this happen as possible.

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janina: will be extremely valuable

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q?

14:15:39 [mike_beganyi]

janina: write a phrase or two for them to consider. this is an acknowledgment that WAI is in a place with its specs that it may come with requests for standardization implications

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matatk: timeline is open for review as of 3 weeks ago. I don't see any sign-off from the group yet.

14:16:59 [mike_beganyi]

matatk: good idea to set expectations in terms of collaborative opportunities. how much of that is appropriate to go into the charter versus how much is useful background

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janina: agree

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matatk: from their current charter, new additions could be worth mentioning. seems like there's still some time

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q?

14:18:36 [mike_beganyi]

janina: happy to work with Matthew on this during the week and provide to the group on Friday, or bring it back next week for the group's review

14:19:38 [mike_beganyi]

matatk: my concern about asking for changes to the charter is that we're going to have to make the case that the upcoming work will be great but we must finish making the case internally first

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janina: we can make the case. new idea of sign language synchronization will be brought by Jason. there's a lot documented already and in the minutes from RQTF

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matatk: WoT came to us and we were able to provide feedback. ended up with something in their charter which is good

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janina: difference in that WoT is a WG. Media, Entertainment Interest Group is an IG

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janina: an omnibus area, really

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q?

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subtopic: Web of Things

14:24:54 [matatk]

https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375 - WoT WG Charter

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matatk: Recalls discussion some time ago with this:

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:s/:/ the above/

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We had a conversation with WoT in PR #77, wrt onboarding: https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/77

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https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/77 -> Issue 77 [closed] 4.11 Text description transformation: second screen (cdpatnoe)

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matatk: This is WoT's PR

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matatk: Accepted but not merged?

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matatk: So two threads, 375 with proposed charter and the PR with proposed edits

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matatk: Propose to comment on Charter review thread to ask whether PR will be merged

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matatk: Any concerns with this approach?

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q?

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zakim, next item

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agendum 4 -- Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from matatk]

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subtopic: Compute Pressure

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s/e/e API/

14:30:21 [matatk]

Background info: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Apr/0023.html

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matatk: Posted summary of last week's discussion here ...

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matatk: Asked for A11y Considerations Section

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matatk: Because of likely consequences of using the API--all in the above comment

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matatk: Example that app shouldn't pick a stream restriction at random, should be a user choice

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janina: Suggests also the reverse for a screen reader user--don't bother with video streams, I don't use them

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matatk: May not be in scope on this, but let's keep it on our wish list

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PaulG: Notes that Teams supports this, but not a sticky setting

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Fredrik: Notes the setting is also very hard to find with an sr

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PaulG: may also matter in COGA situations

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PaulG: More control over modalities useful

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matatk: Good news is that the group was happy for us to propose an ACS

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matatk: Checks and finds it's working draft

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q?

14:38:00 [janina]

janina: If note track may be quick

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zakim, next item

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agendum 5 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]

14:38:25 [janina]

nothing this week

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zakim, next item

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agendum 5 was just opened, janina

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 5 closed

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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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6. CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from matatk]

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agendum 6 -- CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]

14:39:01 [janina]

PaulG: Lots of technical work last week, but nothing for us

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 6 closed

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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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7. Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al [from matatk]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al -- taken up [from matatk]

14:40:45 [janina]

covered by items already discussed

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zakim, next item

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agendum 8 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]

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zakim, close this item

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agendum 8 closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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9. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from matatk]

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zakim, next item

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agendum 9 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]

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subtopic: FAST Proposal

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matatk: Framework for Accessible Specification of Technologies

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matatk: What other groups use

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Fredrik: A jumping off point and a way of creating accessibility support

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Fredrik: Idea is to normatively provide info on how to do that in specs

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Fredrik: Invites people who want to join

14:44:33 [janina]

Fredrik: No set timelines yet, of course

14:44:58 [janina]

Fredrik: Expect WS by next week

14:45:07 [matatk]

Draft work statement: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Fast-work-statement

14:45:33 [janina]

matatk: It's a heads up of what will be coming in a CfC shortly

14:46:10 [janina]

matatk: Interesting because it's meta, but also shapes things

14:46:35 [janina]

matatk: Helps feature and frame a11y support

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zakim, next item

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agendum 10 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk]

14:47:12 [janina]

matatk: My announcement --

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matatk: Recalls metaverse related work from APA that was submitted

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matatk: Our submission totalled 9 docs

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matatk: We have confirmation that W3C has pushed all upstream -- all 9

14:49:27 [janina]

matatk: That's actually remarkable and worth noting. Well done, all!

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zakim, next item

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agendum 11 -- Be done -- taken up [from matatk]

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zakim, end meeting

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As of this point the attendees have been janina, Fredrik, Lionel, matatk, PaulG, mike_beganyi, Alisa_Smith

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye

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