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19:04:58 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King
19:05:18 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group
19:05:26 <Matt_King> present+
19:05:34 <Matt_King> CHAIR Matt King
19:05:41 <Matt_King> rrsagent, make minutes
19:05:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-aria-at-minutes.html Matt_King
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19:10:32 <jugglinmike> present+ jugglinmike
19:11:02 <Sam_shaw> present+
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19:11:53 <jugglinmike> Topic: May meeting schedule
19:12:11 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We won't meet next week--that's the ARIA face-to-face
19:12:33 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: The following week, I hope we can meet as scheduled
19:12:56 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It's possible that I may have a conflict, though
19:13:29 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: And I'm definitely away on May 18
19:14:06 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: So we should expect just two meetings in May: May 11 and May 25
19:15:14 <jugglinmike> Topic: Testing and reporting check-in
19:15:40 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Let's review by test plan
19:16:04 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: For "Toggle Button" we are only missing a report for VoiceOver in Chrome
19:16:22 <jugglinmike> present+ jscholes
19:17:34 <jugglinmike> jongund: the app is telling me that I'm not done testing, but when I review the tests, it appears that I've completed them all
19:17:44 <jugglinmike> jscholes: You may need to press "save"
19:19:24 <jugglinmike> jscholes: there's a conflict on the final test
19:20:18 <jugglinmike> jscholes: It's because jongund has noted a sound which was emitted. We don't typically track that right now
19:20:21 <jugglinmike> jongund: I can remove it
19:20:56 <jugglinmike> jongund: There was no output; how should I express that?
19:21:12 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: How about just inputting two double quote characters with nothing between them?
19:21:32 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Should the app offer a more explicit way to indicate "there was no output"...?
19:21:49 <jugglinmike> jscholes: Others have expressed it in other ways
19:22:50 <jugglinmike> jscholes: Ideally, we would have a checkbox that says "No output" and that enabling it would cause the text entry field to become disabled
19:23:11 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That would be ideal, but for now, we just need to agree on something to represent that idea
19:24:42 <jugglinmike> jscholes: As for the conflict. We see "no output" for one, and "incorrect output." I can understand how both of those apply
19:25:25 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: In this case, because there was some output, the accurate response here is "incorrect output"
19:28:51 <jugglinmike> jscholes: There are conflicts, but I'm not seeing them in the test queue. It appears to be because the conflicts related to the final test, which is now listed as "in progress"
19:29:46 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I didn't see that initially, but after refreshing, I can confirm that behavior
19:31:52 <jugglinmike> (the group collectively explores the unexpected behavior)
19:32:51 <jugglinmike> present+ jongund
19:33:41 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: There isn't necessarily a bug here because there was an incomplete test
19:33:51 <jugglinmike> jscholes: Yes, the incomplete status alleviated my concern
19:33:59 <jugglinmike> jscholes: Well, everything is in agreement. I think we're ready to publish. I've published it!
19:34:20 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Next up, let's consider "Link"
19:35:18 <jugglinmike> jscholes: No conflicts for JAWS and Firefox. It was last published after this meeting last Thursday. Since then, this appears to be ready to go, so let's publish it
19:35:43 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: For NVDA, it looks like Alyssa and Isabel are in agreement. So I'm going to press publish
19:36:07 <jugglinmike> jscholes: For VoiceOver and Chrome, everything is complete and there are no conflicts, so I'll publish that as well
19:36:57 <jugglinmike> Next on the agenda is "Radio Group Example Using aria-activedescendant"
19:38:48 <jugglinmike> s/Next on/Matt_King: Next on/g
19:40:08 <JoeHumbert> present+
19:40:32 <jugglinmike> jscholes: I've published Radio Group for NVDA and Firefox
19:40:49 <jugglinmike> jscholes: Radio Group for VoiceOver and Chrome has four conflicts. Let's work these out
19:43:19 <jugglinmike> jscholes: This is a long command! Anyway, Joe marked it as "no output" and Isa marked it as "incorrect output"
19:44:07 <jugglinmike> jscholes: I need to run this as Joe and change the result to "incorrect output"
19:44:32 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Let's set aside the app issue for JAWS and Firefox for now and handle that offline
19:44:50 <jongund> present+ jongund
19:47:34 <jugglinmike> Next up: "Modal Dialog"
19:47:50 <jugglinmike> s/Next up/Matt_King: Next up/g
19:48:03 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We need a volunteer for JAWS and Firefox
19:48:22 <jugglinmike> present+ Dylan_Sheffer
19:48:30 <jugglinmike> Dylan_Sheffer: I can do that
19:49:56 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: For JAWS and Chrome, it looks like all the testing is completed and without conflicts
19:50:21 <jugglinmike> jscholes: I think that Alyssa's results are with an older version of JAWS, but I could be wrong
20:00:14 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Is anyone available to test Modal Dialog for macOS and NVDA?
20:00:43 <jugglinmike> present+ Alyssa
20:00:56 <jugglinmike> Alyssa: I can do it within the next couple weeks. Is that an acceptable timeline?
20:01:00 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That would be great!
20:01:53 <jugglinmike> s/macOS/Firefox/
20:02:17 <jugglinmike> s/Next up:/Matt_King: Next up:/
20:02:45 <jugglinmike> s/Next on/Matt_King: Next on/
20:03:57 <jugglinmike> Zakim, end the meeting
20:03:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King, jugglinmike, Sam_shaw, jscholes, jongund, JoeHumbert, Dylan_Sheffer, Alyssa
20:03:59 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:04:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-aria-at-minutes.html Zakim
20:04:07 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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