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12:04:35 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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12:05:09 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:05:39 <kaz> scribenick: cris_
12:06:01 <cris_> topic: guests
12:06:05 <cris_> seb: no news
12:06:09 <cris_> topic: minutes
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12:06:31 <cris_> seb: sadly Lagally mentioned that he cannot act anymore as TF lead
12:06:41 <cris_> ... then we discussed cancellations
12:06:53 <cris_> ... and scripting API publication plan
12:07:20 <kaz> i|sadly|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html Arp-19|
12:07:20 <cris_> ... TPAC, use cases, and chart discussion
12:07:37 <cris_> ... questionnaire is almost complete
12:07:39 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#26_April_2023
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12:08:19 <cris_> seb: we finally did a resolution about Test fest plans
12:08:39 <cris_> ... no issues with the minutes
12:08:42 <cris_> ... any comments?
12:08:54 <cris_> ... ok, minutes approved
12:09:03 <cris_> topic: quick updates
12:09:33 <cris_> seb: use cases, profile, and architecture are cancelled in favor of the test fest
12:09:39 <kaz> i|use|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations|
12:09:51 <kaz> s/test fest/testfest/
12:09:54 <cris_> ... next monday is holiday we will cancel Monday calls
12:10:00 <kaz> s/Test fest/Teftfest/
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12:10:11 <kaz> s/Teftfest/Testfest/
12:10:17 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:10:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:10:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:10:29 <cris_> ... also next week is holyday in Japan
12:10:29 <Ege> q+
12:10:35 <kaz> q?
12:10:41 <kaz> q+
12:10:45 <kaz> ack e
12:10:47 <cris_> ege: kaz are you available next week?
12:11:10 <cris_> kaz: I can join if really needed.
12:11:31 <cris_> ege: ok does this mean that we can do the meeting?
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12:11:42 <cris_> kaz: it would be better con cancel the calls
12:11:46 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:12:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:12:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:12:38 <cris_> mc: I'm ok of canceling even if there is something to do in profile
12:12:45 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura, Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:12:54 <Ege> q+
12:13:04 <cris_> ... we can cancel everything but testing calls (without minutes)
12:13:25 <kaz> ack k
12:13:28 <cris_> kaz: if needed I can join
12:13:41 <kaz> q+
12:13:45 <cris_> ege: in the TD call we need to decided the TF lead
12:13:55 <cris_> ... we can have a tentative resolution
12:14:03 <cris_> seb: I think we can wait
12:14:38 <kaz> ack e
12:14:40 <kaz> ack k
12:14:50 <kaz> chair: Sebastian/McCool
12:14:54 <cris_> mc: the only critical calls that we need to do is testing
12:15:05 <cris_> seb: ok for me to cancel all the calls
12:15:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:15:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:15:44 <cris_> +1
12:17:17 <cris_> seb: there is an AC meeting this month
12:17:37 <kaz> q+
12:17:42 <cris_> ... kaz will be not available.
12:18:03 <cris_> kaz: technically group chairs can join the AC meeting if you want
12:18:30 <cris_> ... let everybody know if you join that meeting
12:19:02 <cris_> mc: we need to finalize test result for the 10th
12:19:41 <cris_> mc: I can go, but only if it doesn't conflict with other calls
12:20:38 <cris_> q?
12:20:50 <cris_> ack k
12:20:56 <cris_> topic: new charter review
12:20:59 <cris_> seb: no news?
12:21:10 <cris_> kaz: we got response for internationalization
12:21:17 <cris_> ... we are waiting for other groups
12:21:40 <cris_> mc: we have one PR that we should merge
12:21:51 <cris_> ... just fixing minor issues (broken links)
12:22:04 <cris_> seb: ok, any complains?
12:22:08 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/116/files
12:22:22 <cris_> mc: no real content change
12:22:47 <cris_> q+
12:22:57 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/116/files|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/116 wot-charter-drafts PR 116 Remove links to template|
12:23:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:23:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:23:12 <cris_> ack cris_
12:23:12 <cris_> topic: TPAC
12:23:27 <cris_> seb: we need an estimate about people going to spain
12:23:44 <cris_> ... we have to submit the heads count next week
12:23:55 <kaz> s/other groups/other groups. will talk about this issue during the W3C Strategy Team call next Tuesday./
12:23:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:23:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:24:23 <cris_> ... if you are not sure you can just add the probability
12:24:47 <cris_> ... please update the list on the wiki
12:24:56 <cris_> ... we should also start to think about topics
12:25:26 <Ege> q+
12:25:32 <kaz> q+
12:25:49 <kaz> i|we need|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/ TPAC page|
12:25:54 <McCool_> q+
12:26:07 <cris_> ege: we talked about this in the TD two weeks ago
12:26:18 <kaz> i|we need|-> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/GroupsTPAC2023/ TPAC group meeting questionnaire (Member-only)|
12:26:28 <cris_> ... we got same email in the CG
12:26:41 <cris_> ... web agents group might organize something
12:27:14 <cris_> kaz: we need to identify the expected count of the participants for rooms and slots
12:27:32 <cris_> ... and basic category of meetings
12:27:35 <cris_> ... please help
12:27:59 <kaz> i|we need|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda TPAC 2023 WoT wiki|
12:28:27 <cris_> mc: we should discuss things that are difficult to solve remotely
12:28:55 <cris_> ... we can create v f2f to cover people that are not in good timezone
12:29:52 <Ege> q+
12:29:55 <Ege> ack e
12:29:57 <Ege> q+
12:29:59 <kaz> ack k
12:30:01 <kaz> ack m
12:30:13 <kaz> q+
12:30:26 <kaz> s/v f2f/virtual F2F/
12:31:43 <kaz> s/category of meetings/category of meetings which require us dedicated discussion on complicated or controversial topics./
12:31:56 <kaz> s/dedicated/dedicated F2F/
12:32:12 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:32:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:34:02 <cris_> mc: let's optimize for japan and europe
12:34:03 <kaz> q?
12:35:34 <kaz> ack e
12:35:40 <cris_> ege: do we have an open day in TPac?
12:35:50 <cris_> mc: Wednesday
12:36:10 <cris_> kaz: it depends on what we would like to do
12:36:25 <cris_> ... we don't need to have an open day
12:36:34 <cris_> ... but if we want we can organize
12:36:37 <McCool_> q+
12:36:44 <cris_> ... it is something that should be part of the agenda discussion
12:38:01 <cris_> mc: let's have a doodle poll
12:38:03 <cris_> seb: ok
12:38:22 <sebastian> ack k
12:38:23 <sebastian> ack M
12:38:24 <kaz> action: kaz to generate a doodle poll to find better slots for Thu/Fri
12:39:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:39:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:39:41 <McCool_> q+
12:40:02 <kaz> q+
12:40:05 <cris_> topic: schedule
12:40:18 <cris_> seb: scripting api is planned to be published
12:40:23 <cris_> ... which is the status?
12:40:28 <cris_> daniel: we are working on it
12:40:44 <cris_> kaz: we made the resolution last week
12:40:46 <cris_> q+
12:41:04 <cris_> ... there was some typos
12:41:41 <dape>  q+
12:41:42 <cris_> ... the task force wanted to include that too
12:41:56 <kaz> ack k
12:42:02 <cris_> ... plus there were discussion on the scripting api
12:42:14 <cris_> ... about the charter
12:42:32 <cris_> ... and how the scripting api was recorded as an informative document
12:42:47 <cris_> mc: I also made a PR to update
12:43:00 <cris_> ... the schedule
12:43:06 <cris_> seb: ok for merging
12:43:10 <kaz> s/about the charter/some of the Scripting API TF participants are wondering about the possibility of making Scripting API a normative document./
12:43:42 <kaz> q+
12:43:54 <kaz> ack mc
12:44:04 <cris_> daniel: scripting api was just minor changes
12:44:24 <dape> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/469
12:44:56 <kaz> ack d
12:45:09 <cris_> daniel: just minor changes as you can see
12:45:18 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/469|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/469 wot-scripting-api PR 469 - Align spec with INFRA|
12:47:18 <cris_> seb: we can even don't do the resolution
12:47:29 <cris_> kaz: I think we should even if it was just a typo fix
12:47:36 <Ege> q?
12:47:42 <dape> q+
12:48:00 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/469
12:48:10 <cris_> proposal: The group decided to publish Scripting API note after PR 469 in the scripting has been merged
12:48:25 <kaz> s/after/after the recently updated/
12:49:22 <cris_> proposal: The group decided to publish Scripting API note after the recently updated PR 469 in the scripting has been merged
12:49:44 <kaz> ack c
12:49:46 <kaz> ack k
12:50:16 <cris_> resolution: The group decided to publish Scripting API note after the recently updated PR 469 in the scripting has been merged
12:52:00 <kaz> s|kaz: I think we should even if it was just a typo fix|kaz: I think we still should make an updated resolution given we made a resolution last week for PR 469 and we've updated the PR 469 itself after the resolution was made. Note that we should not add any updates to the PR after making resolution, but should create a new separate PR for typo fix./
12:52:14 <kaz> s|fix./|fix.|
12:52:16 <cris_> cris: we were also surprised about finding out that scripting API is informative document
12:52:21 <kaz> q+
12:52:23 <kaz> ack d
12:53:09 <cris_> ... we were planning to have it a Note Rec track
12:53:42 <cris_> seb: is this the kind of document that is in between informative and rec track?
12:53:58 <cris_> cris: yes, but in the charter we said it was just informative
12:54:39 <cris_> kaz: Note reccomantion track is not really safe in regards of patent policy
12:55:39 <cris_> seb: we are out of time
12:56:12 <cris_> ... maybe we need another discussion slot
12:56:12 <kaz> q?
12:56:12 <cris_> kaz: it would be better to discuss about this offline
12:56:12 <kaz> ack k
12:57:50 <cris_> seb: it seems there is not something in between doc
12:57:53 <kaz> q+
12:58:37 <cris_> dape: it seems that note-track is not recommended by w3c it was not clearly stated.
12:58:59 <cris_> seb: we need a separate meeting
12:59:26 <cris_> mc: let's discuss this in the next chair call
12:59:33 <cris_> ... in the meantime we can use emails
13:00:02 <cris_> kaz: for the record from the beginning I was suggesting to not go for that direction.
13:00:14 <cris_> topic: testing
13:00:21 <cris_> seb: discuss this in the testing call
13:00:26 <cris_> topic: testimonial
13:00:46 <cris_> seb: please talk about your upper management for testimonials
13:00:53 <cris_> ... also about press release
13:01:34 <cris_> topic: societal impact questionare
13:01:52 <cris_> seb: michael worked hard on the doc,
13:01:58 <cris_> ... I think it is in good shape
13:02:04 <cris_> ... we can merge the PR as it is
13:02:11 <cris_> ... of course we can always improve it
13:02:19 <kaz> s/Note reccomantion track is not really safe in regards of patent policy/As I've been repeatedly mentioning, there is no "Note REC track" defined within the W3C Process, also making part of a group Note normative would be dangerous from the Patent Policy viewpoint./
13:02:21 <cris_> ... but it is fine at it is
13:02:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:03:26 <kaz> q|
13:03:58 <McCool_> proposal: submit the current draft of the societal questionnaire.
13:04:14 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/897
13:04:23 <sebastian> +1
13:04:28 <McCool_> proposal: submit the current draft of the societal questionnaire at https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/897
13:04:47 <McCool_> resolution: submit the current draft of the societal questionnaire at https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/897
13:05:18 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/897 PR 897 - Societal Impact Questionniare
13:05:34 <kaz> q+
13:06:23 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:06:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-minutes.html kaz
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