IRC log of aria-apg on 2023-04-25
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King
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- MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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- CHAIR: Jemma
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- present+
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/25-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
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- zakim, start the meeting
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jugglinmike
- 18:02:37 [jugglinmike]
- meeting: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force Weekly Teleconference
- 18:02:48 [jugglinmike]
- present+ jugglinmike
- 18:02:56 [MarkMcCarthy]
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- 18:03:05 [Jem]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/April-25,-2023-Agenda
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- present+
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- present+
- 18:04:00 [jugglinmike]
- scribe+ jugglinmike
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- present+ Jem
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- Jem: We will have no meeting next week. Our next meeting will be on May 9
- 18:06:06 [dmontalvo]
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- present+ Daniel
- 18:08:21 [jugglinmike]
- Topic: Status of Site Updates
- 18:09:29 [jugglinmike]
- Alex_Flenniken: we have been working on the side navigation on the "patterns" page
- 18:09:33 [dmontalvo]
- q+
- 18:10:18 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: We need a green light from Sean on the design of those things
- 18:11:25 [jugglinmike]
- dmontalvo: I am taking over staff contact responsibilities for the ARIA working group; that includes APG
- 18:11:46 [jugglinmike]
- dmontalvo: Hopefully I can help with communications
- 18:12:10 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: We're talking about https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2535
- 18:14:38 [jongund]
- present+ jongund
- 18:15:30 [jugglinmike]
- Alex_Flenniken: no update on https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2534
- 18:15:41 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: 2535 is higher priority
- 18:15:51 [jugglinmike]
- Topic: APG browser support requirements
- 18:16:14 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2644
- 18:16:57 [Andrea]
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- 18:17:43 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Just prior to this meeting, I added a comment about the policy
- 18:18:18 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: But we should probably add something about this to the project's contribution guidelines
- 18:19:12 [jugglinmike]
- jamesn: I don't think people care about old versions of browsers anymore because everything auto-updates
- 18:20:04 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I think this is most important for folks who are in enterprise environments where browsers don't update as often
- 18:20:53 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I wonder if we should remove even the reference to Internet Explorer in the text since that tends to make it feel dated
- 18:23:27 [MichaelC]
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- 18:26:29 [Jem]
- jugglinmike: I will document this in the code guidance and update the apg doc regarding IE mention.
- 18:27:21 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: We don't have to worry about enterprise as an audience for APG itself. It's enough to warn readers about the support considerations in their own projects (and the text already does include such a warning)
- 18:27:35 [jugglinmike]
- Topic: "Using ARIA" to APG
- 18:27:47 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2675
- 18:28:33 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: We have the information architecture we need to support this, so the timing is pretty perfect in my mind
- 18:29:45 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: The first thing to do is to go through the headings in the "Using ARIA" document, and identify which of those sections are either (1) already covered, (2) appropriate to be discarded, or (3) appropriate for some section of APG
- 18:30:05 [jugglinmike]
- Jem: This seems like a good task for newcomers
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- present+ Andrea
- 18:30:30 [jugglinmike]
- Andrea: Can we think of this as an audit?
- 18:31:39 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Not exactly. The end goal is that "Using ARIA" is going to go away. But there's information in "Using ARIA" that APG can inherit. The task is to identify which information can be salvaged and where it belongs (e.g. in a pattern or in a practice)
- 18:32:54 [jugglinmike]
- jongund: I can help with this because I'm familiar with both documents
- 18:33:31 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I'm not sure of the best way to structure this, but I've been imagining taking the table of contents and then categorizing each item in an issue comment
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- Andrea: I'm interested in helping, too
- 18:34:11 [jugglinmike]
- Jem: I'll assign Matt_King, jongund, and Andrea
- 18:35:31 [jugglinmike]
- Jem: I'll assign myself as well so I can review
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- Andrea: I'll coordinate the work to start us off
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- Topic: Pull request reviews
- 18:36:34 [jugglinmike]
- Subtopic: PR 2622 - Listbox Examples: Update scrolling of listbox item with focus into view when page is magnified by jongund
- 18:36:42 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622
- 18:37:24 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I recently noticed a bug. There are checkmark icons in the list box, and they're getting announced by screen readers
- 18:37:59 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Because it's related to the accessibility features documentation, I think we should address it in this pull request
- 18:38:39 [jugglinmike]
- jongund: I can fix it in this pull request. It should be done by tomorrow
- 18:38:51 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I'll continue my editorial work on the comments
- 18:39:52 [jugglinmike]
- Topic: New Issue Action Planning
- 18:40:07 [Jem]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2021-08-15+no%3Alabel++sort%3Aupdated-desc
- 18:41:05 [jugglinmike]
- Subtopic: Grid cell content can be actionable and editable
- 18:41:11 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2678
- 18:43:20 [jamesn]
- q+
- 18:43:31 [dmontalvo]
- ack me
- 18:44:15 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: It's not clear to me what the question is. Maybe we should talk about this when Curt is here.
- 18:44:30 [jamesn]
- ack me
- 18:44:43 [jugglinmike]
- jamesn: I agree, we should probably wait for Curt
- 18:45:11 [dmontalvo]
- q+
- 18:45:13 [jugglinmike]
- jamesn: I also don't think we should try to solve every single weird case of a grid, though this is not so weird of a case
- 18:53:53 [jugglinmike]
- Subtopic: Skipto Script is loaded twice for practice, pattern and about pages
- 18:54:03 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2676
- 18:54:35 [jugglinmike]
- Alex_Flenniken: there's code that switches between two configurations of skipto--that must be malfunctioning
- 18:55:36 [jugglinmike]
- Alex_Flenniken: I think we can share the same configuration; I will remove it from APG. It will be in the website, but not in the raw development HTML files
- 18:56:14 [jugglinmike]
- Subtopic: Listbox example - ESlint error
- 18:56:20 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2671
- 18:58:41 [jugglinmike]
- Alex_Flenniken: This was originally reported by Aleena, but we couldn't reproduce it. Since Aleena has moved on from Bocoup, I think we should close this
- 19:02:33 [Jem]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Code-Guide
- 19:05:23 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Let's make this issue about moving toward ECMAScript modules.
- 19:05:34 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: I'll reframe the issue
- 19:05:55 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Let's make it about using import declarations in the JavaScript where appropriate
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- end topic
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- RRSAgent, end topic
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'end topic', jugglinmike. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- github-bot: end topic
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- Zakim, end the meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King, jugglinmike, MarkMcCarthy, howard-e, Jem, Daniel, jongund, Andrea
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/25-aria-apg-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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