IRC log of adapt on 2023-04-24
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- Meeting: WAI Adapt Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 24 April 2023
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- agenda?
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- chair: Sharon
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- agenda+ A11y4Children ontology follow-ups
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- agenda+ Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis
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- agenda+ Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240
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- agenda+ Review open issues
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- agenda+ Test to show rendering symbols do not 'break' existing pages
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- agenda+ Recruiting
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- agenda+ Registry update
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- agenda+ Symbol Module Implementations
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- agenda+ User Agents and Symbols (e.g. Immersive Reader)
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- agenda?
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- 13:59:48 [matatk]
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- present+
- 14:00:01 [mike_beganyi]
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- present+
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- present+
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- topic: TPAC
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- present+
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- present+
- 14:02:08 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: coordinate meetings between APA and its TFs
- 14:02:36 [janina]
- q+
- 14:02:36 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: submit list to TPAC organizers, more info about meetings the better
- 14:03:22 [Sharon]
- ack janina
- 14:04:13 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: have a list and it's expandable. able to add navigation points to media content. would like that to support markup. we have a powerful use case in symbols. creating a table of contents for media shouldn't be a time offset and words. it should be also symbols
- 14:04:50 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: we need to ask for markup in that part of the spec. ongoing agenda we started last year and we have the request for the "adapt-" prefix and we may have others
- 14:05:28 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: solid reception last year. a lot of the former concern from years ago is less relevant now
- 14:06:07 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: it's not exactly the depth. it's not like we have a set of useful symbols. it's more a general request to have symbols
- 14:07:40 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: no sense of anything nest-able here currently. DAISY navigation was excellent and it's a pity it didn't have any recognition at the time
- 14:08:00 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: this sounds like more of an APA issue as opposed to specifically Adapt
- 14:08:04 [matatk]
- q+
- 14:08:31 [Sharon]
- ack matatk
- 14:08:32 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: we're all part of APA, so it's possible to be part of many meetings without being part of all
- 14:08:54 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: this is between WGs, we also have specific TFs that tackle TF-specific things. I agree with previous comments
- 14:09:28 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: one idea is that we may have started by TPAC making our own versions of well-known URI specs. if we make one fully, we should make one that specifies which ones are supported
- 14:09:51 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: should meet with the original group who authored the first so that we can collaborate on optimal process for implementation
- 14:10:15 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: strong Adapt interest in that. whether that's nesting in global accessibility architecture or something else
- 14:10:27 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: what level do we bring in Adapt-specific tree?
- 14:10:53 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: these are so important. help me understand that as chairs of Adapt we are responsible for these things.
- 14:11:17 [matatk]
- q+
- 14:11:27 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: markup for rich media, but lack the tools at the moment.
- 14:11:28 [janina]
- q+
- 14:11:51 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: finish gap analysis, then we can determine who (CSS, for example) to determine what markup can be
- 14:11:58 [Sharon]
- ack matatk
- 14:12:19 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: almost certainly would have a meeting with CSS
- 14:12:56 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: don't want to talk architecture deeply, but I feel the common destinations COGA identified shouldn't be underneath accessibility
- 14:13:49 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: would advise against over-scoping
- 14:14:07 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: suggesting changing direction, then?
- 14:14:23 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: most of those destinations would be what people want to do on a site. nothing preventing relation to an attribute.
- 14:14:38 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: lots to do on that, but seems beyond the scope of this topic
- 14:15:04 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: not sure we will need to talk to i18n about issues around symbols attribute
- 14:15:11 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: if we have concerns, we can certainly meet with them
- 14:15:41 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: great resource and very much into a11y
- 14:15:49 [Sharon]
- ack janina
- 14:16:06 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: just in queue to agree with you, Mat. up-levelling for the sake of curb cut effect
- 14:16:50 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: meeting with i18n still possible, depending
- 14:17:08 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: agree
- 14:19:06 [mike_beganyi]
- Russell: specifically for YouTube chaptering, would be relatively easy coding-wise. Google could champion this idea of chaptering and would provide a lot of encouragement for our proposals
- 14:20:16 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: captions derive from SRT standard. powerful idea but could be a deep-rooted issue that involves a lot of consideration for backwards-compatibility
- 14:20:57 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: it is manageable but has to be verified. if an old browser interacts, then issues could ensue if issues are not compatible
- 14:21:46 [mike_beganyi]
- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1 -- A11y4Children ontology follow-ups -- taken up [from Sharon]
- 14:22:06 [mike_beganyi]
- Sharon: any follow-up to discuss?
- 14:22:22 [mike_beganyi]
- Sharon: any activities that need to occur
- 14:23:01 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: sent notes. there are many follow-ups. identified another research paper that had a lot of headings that we are interested in. found a similar and sympathetic ontology
- 14:23:12 [matatk]
- q+
- 14:23:30 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: determine next step. could be gap analysis, moving to Research Questions, etc.
- 14:23:41 [janina]
- q+
- 14:23:49 [Sharon]
- ack matatk
- 14:24:30 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: felt that there is a lot of useful reading material. user profiles and simplification aspect are interesting for our purposes.
- 14:24:58 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: two things I think we should do: 1) as we determine mainstream simplification, Bob's work will help
- 14:25:33 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: and 2) it turns out two other people are very familiar with UDL , mike_beganyi and Paul
- 14:25:57 [Sharon]
- ack janina
- 14:25:59 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: Mike has good experience with this
- 14:26:13 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: there is a research question here we could review in that TF. we should structure it as a question
- 14:26:52 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: what kind of output are we looking for? members of the RQTF can get access to those vital research papers
- 14:27:27 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: acknowledge that UDL is well-regarded as a set of practices, but the semantics are curated by CLIPPS and NSF
- 14:28:00 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: suggest the question to RQTF is something like "we have this citation, is it sufficient?"
- 14:28:02 [matatk]
- q+
- 14:28:16 [Sharon]
- ack matatk
- 14:28:25 [mike_beganyi]
- matatk: forgot to acknowledge Lionel's experience. slipped my mind earlier, so apologies
- 14:29:59 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: would like to peek at Gap Analysis, please
- 14:30:05 [mike_beganyi]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis -- taken up [from Sharon]
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- https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis,-WAI-Adapt-Content-Attributes
- 14:33:21 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: assess heading structure and determine if anything is missing
- 14:33:58 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: Charles may be able to offer assistance on defining scope for DPUB section
- 14:34:24 [mike_beganyi]
- janina: would suggest assistance regarding that specific question as we do a gap analysis what we should look at in DPUB
- 14:34:42 [mike_beganyi]
- Sharon: Lionel can you do that?
- 14:34:46 [mike_beganyi]
- Lionel: yes, will do
- 14:38:46 [mike_beganyi]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
- 14:38:47 [Zakim]
- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 [from Sharon]
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/24-adapt-minutes.html mike_beganyi
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been mike_beganyi, janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Sharon, matatk, Roy, EA, Lionel
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