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13:27:55 <trackbot> Meeting: WAI Adapt Task Force Teleconference
13:27:55 <trackbot> Date: 24 April 2023
13:27:55 <Sharon> agenda?
13:27:55 <Sharon> chair: Sharon
13:28:06 <Sharon> zakim, clear agenda
13:28:06 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:28:20 <Sharon> agenda+ A11y4Children ontology follow-ups
13:28:35 <Sharon> agenda+ Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis
13:28:46 <Sharon> agenda+ Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240
13:28:56 <Sharon> agenda+ Review open issues
13:29:06 <Sharon> agenda+ Test to show rendering symbols do not 'break' existing pages
13:29:19 <Sharon> agenda+ Recruiting
13:29:28 <Sharon> agenda+ Registry update
13:29:41 <Sharon> agenda+ Symbol Module Implementations
13:29:57 <Sharon> agenda+ User Agents and Symbols (e.g. Immersive Reader)
13:30:54 <Sharon> agenda?
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14:00:00 <matatk> present+
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14:01:00 <mike_beganyi> scribe+
14:01:19 <mike_beganyi> topic: TPAC
14:01:47 <Roy> present+
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14:02:02 <janina> present+
14:02:08 <mike_beganyi> matatk: coordinate meetings between APA and its TFs
14:02:36 <janina> q+
14:02:36 <mike_beganyi> matatk: submit list to TPAC organizers, more info about meetings the better
14:03:22 <Sharon> ack janina
14:04:13 <mike_beganyi> janina: have a list and it's expandable. able to add navigation points to media content. would like that to support markup. we have a powerful use case in symbols. creating a table of contents for media shouldn't be a time offset and words. it should be also symbols
14:04:50 <mike_beganyi> janina: we need to ask for markup in that part of the spec. ongoing agenda we started last year and we have the request for the "adapt-" prefix and we may have others
14:05:28 <mike_beganyi> janina: solid reception last year. a lot of the former concern from years ago is less relevant now
14:06:07 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: it's not exactly the depth. it's not like we have a set of useful symbols. it's more a general request to have symbols
14:07:40 <mike_beganyi> janina: no sense of anything nest-able here currently. DAISY navigation was excellent and it's a pity it didn't have any recognition at the time
14:08:00 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: this sounds like more of an APA issue as opposed to specifically Adapt
14:08:04 <matatk> q+
14:08:31 <Sharon> ack matatk
14:08:32 <mike_beganyi> janina: we're all part of APA, so it's possible to be part of many meetings without being part of all
14:08:54 <mike_beganyi> matatk: this is between WGs, we also have specific TFs that tackle TF-specific things. I agree with previous comments
14:09:28 <mike_beganyi> matatk: one idea is that we may have started by TPAC making our own versions of well-known URI specs. if we make one fully, we should make one that specifies which ones are supported
14:09:51 <mike_beganyi> matatk: should meet with the original group who authored the first so that we can collaborate on optimal process for implementation
14:10:15 <mike_beganyi> janina: strong Adapt interest in that. whether that's nesting in global accessibility architecture or something else
14:10:27 <mike_beganyi> janina: what level do we bring in Adapt-specific tree?
14:10:53 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: these are so important. help me understand that as chairs of Adapt we are responsible for these things.
14:11:17 <matatk> q+
14:11:27 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: markup for rich media, but lack the tools at the moment.
14:11:28 <janina> q+
14:11:51 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: finish gap analysis, then we can determine who (CSS, for example) to determine what markup can be
14:11:58 <Sharon> ack matatk
14:12:19 <mike_beganyi> matatk: almost certainly would have a meeting with CSS
14:12:56 <mike_beganyi> matatk: don't want to talk architecture deeply, but I feel the common destinations COGA identified shouldn't be underneath accessibility
14:13:49 <mike_beganyi> matatk: would advise against over-scoping
14:14:07 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: suggesting changing direction, then?
14:14:23 <mike_beganyi> matatk: most of those destinations would be what people want to do on a site. nothing preventing relation to an attribute.
14:14:38 <mike_beganyi> matatk: lots to do on that, but seems beyond the scope of this topic
14:15:04 <mike_beganyi> matatk: not sure we will need to talk to i18n about issues around symbols attribute
14:15:11 <mike_beganyi> matatk: if we have concerns, we can certainly meet with them
14:15:41 <mike_beganyi> matatk: great resource and very much into a11y
14:15:49 <Sharon> ack janina
14:16:06 <mike_beganyi> janina: just in queue to agree with you, Mat. up-levelling for the sake of curb cut effect
14:16:50 <mike_beganyi> janina: meeting with i18n still possible, depending
14:17:08 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: agree
14:19:06 <mike_beganyi> Russell: specifically for YouTube chaptering, would be relatively easy coding-wise. Google could champion this idea of chaptering and would provide a lot of encouragement for our proposals
14:20:16 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: captions derive from SRT standard. powerful idea but could be a deep-rooted issue that involves a lot of consideration for backwards-compatibility
14:20:57 <mike_beganyi> janina: it is manageable but has to be verified. if an old browser interacts, then issues could ensue if issues are not compatible
14:21:46 <mike_beganyi> zakim, take up item 1
14:21:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- A11y4Children ontology follow-ups -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:22:06 <mike_beganyi> Sharon: any follow-up to discuss?
14:22:22 <mike_beganyi> Sharon: any activities that need to occur
14:23:01 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: sent notes. there are many follow-ups. identified another research paper that had a lot of headings that we are interested in. found a similar and sympathetic ontology
14:23:12 <matatk> q+
14:23:30 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: determine next step. could be gap analysis, moving to Research Questions, etc.
14:23:41 <janina> q+
14:23:49 <Sharon> ack matatk
14:24:30 <mike_beganyi> matatk: felt that there is a lot of useful reading material. user profiles and simplification aspect are interesting for our purposes.
14:24:58 <mike_beganyi> matatk: two things I think we should do: 1) as we determine mainstream simplification, Bob's work will help
14:25:33 <mike_beganyi> matatk: and 2) it turns out two other people are very familiar with UDL , mike_beganyi and Paul
14:25:57 <Sharon> ack janina
14:25:59 <mike_beganyi> matatk: Mike has good experience with this
14:26:13 <mike_beganyi> janina: there is a research question here we could review in that TF. we should structure it as a question
14:26:52 <mike_beganyi> janina: what kind of output are we looking for? members of the RQTF can get access to those vital research papers
14:27:27 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: acknowledge that UDL is well-regarded as a set of practices, but the semantics are curated by CLIPPS and NSF
14:28:00 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: suggest the question to RQTF is something like "we have this citation, is it sufficient?"
14:28:02 <matatk> q+
14:28:16 <Sharon> ack matatk
14:28:25 <mike_beganyi> matatk: forgot to acknowledge Lionel's experience. slipped my mind earlier, so apologies
14:29:59 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: would like to peek at Gap Analysis, please
14:30:05 <mike_beganyi> zakim, next item
14:30:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis -- taken up [from Sharon]
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14:32:06 <Sharon> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis,-WAI-Adapt-Content-Attributes
14:33:21 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: assess heading structure and determine if anything is missing
14:33:58 <mike_beganyi> janina: Charles may be able to offer assistance on defining scope for DPUB section
14:34:24 <mike_beganyi> janina: would suggest assistance regarding that specific question as we do a gap analysis what we should look at in DPUB
14:34:42 <mike_beganyi> Sharon: Lionel can you do that?
14:34:46 <mike_beganyi> Lionel: yes, will do
14:38:46 <mike_beganyi> zakim, close this item
14:38:46 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:38:47 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:38:47 <Zakim> 3. Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 [from Sharon]
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14:42:16 <mike_beganyi> zakim, bye
14:42:16 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been mike_beganyi, janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Sharon, matatk, Roy, EA, Lionel
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