10:02:50 RRSAgent has joined #wot-arch 10:02:54 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/04/20-wot-arch-irc 10:02:56 meeting: WoT Architecture 10:03:12 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool 10:03:14 q+ 10:04:14 ack k 10:04:47 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Architecture_WebConf#Architecture_April_20th.2C_2023 10:05:02 present+ Luca_Barbato 10:06:26 Mizushima has joined #wot-arch 10:06:39 topic: housekeeping 10:06:48 subtopic: minutes 10:07:01 ml: review of April 13 call notes 10:07:52 ktoumura has joined #wot-arch 10:07:57 ... at-risk presentation, PR 902 10:08:10 ... any objections to publishing? 10:08:16 ... no objections, publish 10:08:25 subtopic: task force leadership 10:08:42 ml: I have to step down as TF lead 10:08:45 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 10:09:09 i|review of|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/13-wot-arch-minutes.html Apr-13| 10:09:30 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 10:09:34 rrsagent, make log public 10:09:37 rrsagent, draft minutes 10:09:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz 10:09:45 q? 10:10:12 ml: enjoyed it, but have been assigned new responsibilities 10:10:23 ... Michael McCool has offered to take over for now 10:10:51 q+ 10:11:28 mm: to clarify, I can start next week, and this is temporary until we find someone else 10:12:38 mm: we will have to have a general discussion about TF leadership changes 10:12:57 ack k 10:13:35 kaz: don't think we need detailed discussion on the procedure, but could start with asking the current TF participants about their iterest 10:13:43 i/need/scribenick: kaz/ 10:13:48 scribenick: McCool 10:14:04 mm: yes, I can send an email following up to Lagally's asking for nominations 10:14:07 i/review of A/scribenick: McCool/ 10:14:17 chair: Lagally 10:14:18 ... ideally, the new lead would be someone who's been involved so we have continuity 10:14:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 10:14:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz 10:14:36 topic: societal impact questionnaire 10:14:47 ml: pull request from McCool 10:15:26 ... this is for TAG review 10:15:39 mm: note this is for the group as a whole, not just architecture 10:15:55 ... so final approval will have to be in the main call 10:16:08 i|pull|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/897 PR 897 - Societal Impact Questionniare| 10:16:15 q+ 10:16:18 ml: understood. I think it would be useful to get additional reviewers, so I added a number to the PR 10:18:27 mm: do think I want to merge a number of review inputs, set a deadline, and do a final pass. 10:18:58 kaz: do think we should cover it again in the main call next week 10:19:07 mm: also, is there an actual deadline. 10:19:35 s/deadline./deadline?/ 10:19:50 mm: thinking of covering this in next main call, then do a call for resolution in two weeks 10:20:04 topic: Test fest preparation 10:20:07 i/thinking/kaz: we can talk with Dan about that./ 10:20:15 i/Dan/scribenick: kaz/ 10:20:26 i/thinking of/scribenick: McCool/ 10:20:48 ml: so there were two PRs merged already, #906 and #907 10:20:52 https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/906 10:21:00 https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/907 10:21:06 ... that updated the IR with new results from intel-ocf, saywot, and editdor 10:21:47 ... and the result is we only have 3 assertions at risk now 10:22:16 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/906|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/906 PR 906 - Updated IR after addition of Intel-OCF results| 10:22:37 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/907|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/907 PR 907 - Update IR with saywot and editdor results| 10:23:04 mm: actually, no results from editdor, they did new TDs only 10:25:11 ... also, two of the remaining assertions are not priorities, so we only really have one to focus on 10:26:26 ml: for the record, I still think there needs to be a place for system-wide assertions 10:26:28 rrsagent, draft minutes 10:26:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz 10:26:45 mm: agree, but for now we should focus on finishing this charter's deliverables 10:28:36 mm: note that ALL assertions in template.csv should be in manual.csv, so for testfest should copy it over again; last time was 5 months ago, but template.csv is showing changes from last week 10:28:53 q+ 10:29:38 ml: and do double-check, data is still in input_2022? 10:29:45 mm: yes; when it started, not when it is done 10:30:22 kaz: need to check current status of data, e.g. from outside 10:31:54 s/, e.g. from outside/ including the results from both the group participants and the external developers./ 10:32:21 mm: as far as I know, we don't currently have external results in architecture 10:32:37 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 10:33:35 kaz: should identify which assertions are the priority 10:33:54 mm: we discussed, the hal-unsafe one is the priority, will document in testfest readme 10:36:00 ml: would also be good to check and update the instructions 10:36:05 mm: will do 10:37:18 mm: we do have more implementation descriptions than results submitted, but we have enough 10:37:32 ml: right, the goal is just to prove it is implementable, which we have done 10:38:00 mm: anyway, I will do a final pass of cleanup today 10:38:14 topic: PRs 10:38:31 ml: there is a PR for "Web Object", #856 10:39:37 ... from a while ago. 10:39:39 q+ 10:40:03 i|there is|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/856 PR 856 - Additional terminology entry for Web Object| 10:40:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 10:40:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz 10:41:40 q? 10:42:16 mm: don't have a problem with the diagram, but the definition of Web Object is a bit too general, and only impacts Profiles, so we can defer 10:42:35 kaz: tend to agree with McCool, we have other, overlapping definitions 10:43:29 mm: a separate PR with just the diagram I would support 10:44:25 toumura: this diagram was meant to be an opener for Arch 2.0 10:44:40 mm: so I would also be ok with deferring the entire PR to Arch 2.0 10:44:47 ml: ok, let's do that 10:46:20 s/overlapping definitions/overlapping definitions like "Web Thing" and "Servient"./ 10:46:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 10:46:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz 10:51:24 topic: Issue Review 10:51:38 ml: let's look through issues and see if there are any we can close 10:52:01 ... can close 888, 869: done 10:52:11 ... also defer 899 to arch 2.0 10:52:41 ... can consider 870 done as well 10:52:51 mm: re 870, at least for this charter 10:53:03 ... looking at requirements is going to be an ongoing process 10:53:49 ... suggest changing title to say "for Arch 1.1" and consider it done 10:53:57 i|can close|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/888 Issue 888 - Evaluating At Risk Assertions| 10:54:14 ml: issue 571, identifier as terminology 10:54:23 mm: too late to include now, suggest defer 10:54:24 i|can close|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/869 Issue 869 - Use Case due diligence| 10:54:52 i|can consider 870|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/870 Issue 870 - Requirements assessment| 10:55:41 ml: let's defer #850 to arch2.0: about profiles and hypermedia 10:55:56 mm: generally the hypermedia issue needs work 10:56:22 i|issue 571|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/571 Issue 571 - Identity and Identifier should be defined terminology| 10:57:20 i|let's defer|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/850 Issue 850 - Contradiction with the WoT Profile spec on protocol bindings| 10:57:37 q+ 10:57:49 q= 10:57:54 s/q=// 10:57:56 q- 10:58:14 ml: looks like APA re-opened #578, request for "Accessibility Considerations" section 10:58:30 mm: since is wide review feedback, we should consider seriously 10:58:41 ... leave open, let's look at it next week. 10:59:16 i|#578|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/578 Issue 578 - Accessibility considerations of WoT architecture| 11:02:23 [adjourned] 11:02:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 11:02:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/20-wot-arch-minutes.html kaz 13:00:07 Zakim has left #wot-arch