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12:03:44 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
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12:04:38 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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12:06:46 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian, Ege
12:07:01 <mlagally_> scribenick: mlagally
12:07:13 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#19_April_2023
12:07:44 <mlagally_> topic: Minutes
12:08:08 <mlagally_> s/Minutes/Minutes review/
12:09:10 <mlagally_> <skims through call notes>
12:09:55 <mlagally_> mm: any objections?
12:09:59 <mlagally_> <none>
12:10:06 <kaz> i|skims|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-minutes.html Apr-12|
12:11:34 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:11:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:11:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:13:53 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
12:14:06 <kaz> q+
12:14:07 <mlagally_> ml: Need to step down from TF leadership of WoT WG and IG task forces (Architecture, Profile and Use Cases)
12:14:10 <kaz> ack m
12:14:48 <mlagally_> mmc: I take these tentatively, but have limited bandwidth, so we need additional people to help
12:15:06 <mlagally_> kaz: We need to decide which topics are to be handled by whom
12:15:27 <mlagally_> mmc: We have to talk how to plan our work for the new charter
12:15:59 <mlagally_> mmc: I will be intermittent chair on these groups, primar yfocus is to get Architecture to PR
12:16:09 <mlagally_> ... long term we need some planning discussions
12:16:55 <mlagally_> topic: cancellations
12:17:04 <dape> q+
12:17:12 <kaz> i/whom/whom. As I put on the agenda, the detail to be discussed during the "Planning" topic later, though./
12:17:14 <kaz> q-
12:17:14 <mlagally_> mmc: We will have architecture tomorrow - need to prepare for the test fest next week
12:17:37 <mlagally_> ... For next week we cancel Usecases, Profiles and architecture and use these slots for Testfest
12:18:57 <mlagally_> ... there are some conflicts coming up, golden week in Japan (April 29th-May 7th), Kaz unavailable on May 8-12th
12:19:17 <mlagally_> ... let'S wait until next week, since Sebastian and Ege are not here
12:19:52 <mlagally_> kaz: I'll join the calls during golden week, but don't expect this from other TF members
12:20:03 <kaz> s/'ll/ can/
12:20:21 <kaz> s/TF members/TF members from Japan/
12:20:29 <mlagally_> mmc: let's focus today on the testfest organisation
12:21:00 <mlagally_> topic: publication of an update of the Scripting API
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12:21:36 <mlagally_> dape: Mai 1st is bank holiday in many places
12:21:45 <mlagally_> s/Mai/May/
12:22:07 <kaz> i/let's/we should respect Japanese holidays as well. let's/
12:22:29 <mlagally_> mmc: let's cancel scripting and security
12:22:43 <mlagally_> ... discovery should be held, to resolve the critical issues
12:22:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:22:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:23:23 <mlagally_> dape: next week on Tuesday 26th there's an italian bank holiday affecting Cristiano and me.
12:23:41 <mlagally_> topic: publication of an update of the Scripting API
12:23:43 <kaz> s|i/whom/whom. As I put on the agenda, the detail to be discussed during the "Planning" topic later, though./||
12:23:50 <kaz> s/whom/whom. As I put on the agenda, the detail to be discussed during the "Planning" topic later, though./
12:23:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:23:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:24:20 <kaz> i/Need to step down/topic: Quick updates/
12:24:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:24:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:25:19 <mlagally_> dape: changes mostly editorial, but the diff shows significant changes, but no real content change
12:26:05 <kaz> i|Need to step|subtopic: Lagally stepping down as TF leader|
12:26:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:26:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:26:32 <kaz> s/topic: cancellations/subtopic: cancellations/
12:26:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:26:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:27:21 <kaz> s|i/let's/we should respect Japanese holidays as well. let's/||
12:27:27 <kaz> s/let's/we should respect Japanese holidays as well. let's/
12:27:31 <kaz> s/we should resp
12:27:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:27:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:27:50 <dape_> PROPOSAL: Publish Scripting API document as is with the editorial PR469
12:28:25 <kaz> s|topic: publication of an update of the Scripting API||
12:28:26 <kaz> s|topic: publication of an update of the Scripting API||
12:28:32 <dape_> PROPOSAL: Publish WG Note Update of the Scripting API document as is with the editorial PR469 merged
12:28:38 <mlagally_> q+
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12:28:55 <dape_> PROPOSAL: Publish WD Note Update of the Scripting API document as is with the editorial PR469 merged
12:29:01 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:29:01 <kaz> i|changes mostly editorial|topic: publication of updated Scripting API Note|
12:29:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:29:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:29:19 <kaz> q+
12:29:32 <kaz> ack d
12:29:34 <kaz> ack m
12:30:03 <mlagally_> mmc: any objections to the proposal? The resolution is tentative, one week of review
12:30:07 <kaz> ack k
12:30:19 <dape_> RESOLUTION: Publish WG Note Update of the Scripting API document as is with the editorial PR469 merged
12:30:59 <mlagally_> mmc: one week of review, please raise concerns within a week (via email or on the next main call)
12:31:13 <mlagally_> topic: TPAC
12:31:23 <dape_> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:31:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html dape_
12:31:39 <kaz> present+ David_Ezell
12:31:39 <dape_> ack dape_
12:31:50 <mlagally_> mmc: We should finalize the questionnaire by April 26th, one week from now
12:32:33 <mlagally_> kaz: we need to responde who will be there in person and how many slots are needed
12:33:15 <mlagally_> ... I already suggested to use  Thurday and Friday, have other obligations on the other days
12:33:45 <kaz> i|We should|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda TPAC wiki|
12:34:30 <kaz> i|We should|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2023JanMar/0078.html TPAC group meeting questionnaire (Member-only)|
12:34:34 <mlagally_> mmc: times are in the afternoon CET - we can probably do 2 sessions
12:34:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:34:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:34:57 <kaz> s/responde/respond/
12:35:16 <mlagally_> ... who can commit to attend?
12:35:34 <kaz> q+
12:35:34 <mlagally_> ... Please add your name to the Wiki
12:35:59 <mlagally_> kaz: we should think about joint calls as well
12:37:21 <mlagally_> mmc: proposed: JSON-LD, SDW, Privacy, Accessibility
12:37:44 <mlagally_> kaz: some discussion with MEIG might sense, Ege mentioned video streaming last week
12:38:07 <mlagally_> s/might sense/might make sense/
12:39:16 <mlagally_> topic: Use Case discussions
12:40:06 <kaz> s/let's focus/we should respect Japanese holidays as well. let's focus/
12:40:08 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:40:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:40:29 <mlagally_> mmc: We suspend these calls for this charter period, added a note that we do not take in new use cases in this charter period
12:40:36 <mlagally_> topic: charter
12:41:04 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-wg-2023-draft.html draft WG Charter
12:41:06 <mlagally_> mmc: We have no input to our charter, it ill take a while, this is in process
12:41:24 <mlagally_> ... we have to clean up testimonials as part of the testfest
12:41:25 <kaz> i|We have|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375 Strategy pipeline issue|
12:41:38 <mlagally_> topic: Societal Impact questionnaire
12:42:10 <mlagally_> mmc: I created a draft, unfortunately Sebastian did not have time to review
12:42:28 <mlagally_> ... We could make a tentative resolution
12:42:29 <mlagally_> q+
12:43:10 <kaz> ack k
12:43:34 <mlagally_> kaZ: need to clarify the basic logistics
12:43:55 <mlagally_> mmc: The draft has been available for 2 months
12:44:33 <mlagally_> kaz: It would be better to have some wider review
12:45:30 <mlagally_> ml Can you briefly present the draft
12:45:47 <mlagally_> mmc: sure, let me walk you through
12:45:48 <kaz> s/kaZ: need to clarify the basic logistics/kaz: Regarding the testimonial, we should clarify our basic logistics and expectations to the group participants. Then regarding the Societal Impact Questionnaire, it would be better to give some kind of debriefing to the whole group as well./
12:47:04 <mlagally_> <mmc walks through the draft>
12:47:08 <kaz> s/It would be better to have some wider review/Given we've got feedback from just a few people to the GitHub issue on the questionnaire, probably it would make sense to have quick review of the questionnaire itself and the feedback so far to all the group participants during the main call too./
12:47:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:47:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:49:50 <kaz> i|I created|-> https://w3ctag.github.io/societal-impact-questionnaire/ Societal Impact Questionnaire|
12:50:06 <mlagally_> mmc: I noticed that we should also add scripting, security and other use cases, let me add a note to the PR
12:50:18 <mlagally_> topic: Planning
12:51:15 <mlagally_> mmc: There were a bunch of PRs that added a few milestones, some of the dates need to be updated
12:51:32 <kaz> i|I created|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/897 draft response|
12:51:44 <mlagally_> ... We have some deadlines that have already passed
12:52:04 <kaz> s/to the PR/to the PR. Also please review.
12:52:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:52:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:52:18 <mlagally_> We could align all dates with the dates of Architecture
12:52:18 <mlagally_> s/We/... We/
12:53:15 <mlagally_> ...we can align dates with Architecture
12:53:23 <kaz> q+
12:53:47 <kaz> ack ml
12:54:51 <mlagally_> ... I have a PR to move details from the charter planning to the main repo
12:55:15 <mlagally_> kaz: we need to clarify that we have to work for the current charter and the next charter
12:55:35 <mlagally_> ... it is also fine to handle both together
12:56:43 <mlagally_> mmc: suggest to use that for the new charter
12:57:20 <mlagally_> ... planning for the next charter should happen after we have concluded the PR in the current charter
12:58:15 <mlagally_> kaz: I propose to have one location for current schedule and future planning
12:58:34 <mlagally_> mmc: Let me create this directory, will create other PRs for reorganising things
12:59:04 <mlagally_> ... priority needs to be to conclude current charter, i.e. PRs of Architecture, Discovery and TD
12:59:27 <mlagally_> ... Architecture is in good shape, only 3 at risk assertions
12:59:36 <kaz> q+
12:59:41 <mlagally_> TD has 15 at-risk assertions
12:59:58 <mlagally_> ... discovery needs substantial more work
13:00:09 <mlagally_> s/TD/... TD/
13:00:34 <mlagally_> mmc: we have a test fest next week, I want to change the schedule and use the architecture and use cases slot.
13:00:52 <mlagally_> ... we will discuss details in the testing call
13:01:15 <mlagally_> mmc: AOB
13:01:23 <kaz> q+
13:01:50 <kaz> ack k
13:02:21 <kaz> s/mmc: AOB//
13:02:58 <mlagally_> kaz: test fest during Use cases, Testing and Architecture calls using the existing dial-ins?
13:03:12 <mlagally_> mmc: Let me clarify in the README.md
13:03:25 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/547
13:03:35 <mlagally_> ... create PR 547 under wot-testing
13:03:39 <kaz> proposal: Testfest next week will be held on Tuesday, Apr 25 at the use cases call slot, Wednesday, Apr 26 at the test call and Thursday, Apr 27 at architecture call
13:03:48 <mlagally_> <meeting adjourned>
13:03:55 <kaz> resolution: Testfest next week will be held on Tuesday, Apr 25 at the use cases call slot, Wednesday, Apr 26 at the test call and Thursday, Apr 27 at architecture call
13:04:34 <kaz> s/<meeting adjourned>//
13:04:37 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:04:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:06:31 <kaz> i/There were a bunch of/subtopic: Work on the specs for the current Charter and the preparation for the next Charter/
13:06:46 <kaz> i/we have a test fest/subtopic: Testfest/
13:06:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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