13:53:40 RRSAgent has joined #wpwg 13:53:44 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/04/13-wpwg-irc 13:53:47 Meeting: Web Payments Working Group 13:53:54 Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20230413 13:54:10 agenda+ Next steps SPC to Candidate Recommendation 13:54:15 agenda+ Next steps WPWG charter 13:54:19 agenda+ Review actions from remote meeting 13:54:25 agenda+ Upcoming meetings 13:54:38 Scribe: Ian 13:58:25 present+ 13:59:36 present+ Carey_Ferro 13:59:41 Clinton_ has joined #wpwg 13:59:59 cferro has joined #wpwg 14:00:28 present+ Gustavo_Kok 14:00:47 present+ Anne_Pouillard 14:00:49 Anne has joined #wpwg 14:00:55 present+ Jean-Michel_Girard 14:01:05 present+ Franck_Delache 14:01:10 present+ Clinton_Allen 14:01:23 present+ Holger_Kunkat 14:01:24 JMGirard has joined #wpwg 14:01:44 fdelache has joined #wpwg 14:02:01 present+ Ryan_Watkins 14:02:28 present+ Stephen_McGruer 14:03:36 present+ David_Benoit 14:03:46 SuzieAS has joined #wpwg 14:03:54 Chair: Ian 14:04:05 present+ Suzie_AS 14:04:17 present+ Praveena 14:04:25 present+ 14:04:27 present+ Soumya 14:04:43 zakim, take up item 1 14:04:43 agendum 1 -- Next steps SPC to Candidate Recommendation -- taken up [from Ian] 14:04:49 JeanLuc has joined #WPWG 14:05:08 present+ Jean-Luc 14:06:24 smcgruer_[EST]: In removing user activation there was a concern about SPC being called maliciously from a background window 14:06:24 https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/237 14:06:31 ...reasonable UX concern 14:06:48 ...we're going to add some text to say that you can't call from a background tab. 14:06:57 ...it turns out there will be no implementation change in Chrome 14:07:09 ...the only outstanding topic is whether to spec it in PR API or in SPC. 14:07:14 present+ Arman 14:07:24 Ian: Can we do in both? 14:07:36 smcgruer_[EST]: Yes. It makes more sense in PR API 14:07:51 https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/pull/238 14:08:01 present+ Amine 14:09:01 amine has joined #wpwg 14:09:56 Ian: We should be a CR by mid-May. 14:10:33 smcgruer_[EST]: Change of plan - we should do this in SPC since I don't have evidence that you can't call PR API in a background tab in webkit 14:10:52 Ian: We can change SPC later also if we want (even as CR) 14:11:01 present+ Erhard_Brand 14:11:11 q+ 14:11:57 ack JeanLuc 14:12:39 JeanLuc: I looked at the pull request re foreground tab. Even if someone calls from a bg tab, there would be a UX. 14:13:13 smcgruer_[EST]: The spec does not say how the UX is displayed. In Chrome, the UX is tied to a tab, so you wouldn't see it until the tab became visible. But PING was concerned because that is not required by the implementation. 14:13:28 ...we already don't allow PR API in a background tab anyway. 14:13:45 ...because of bad UX to switch to a tab and have a modal window show up in someone's face. 14:14:06 Gerhard has joined #wpwg 14:14:14 present+ Gerhard 14:14:42 zakim, close item 1 14:14:42 agendum 1, Next steps SPC to Candidate Recommendation, closed 14:14:43 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:14:43 2. Next steps WPWG charter [from Ian] 14:14:48 zakim, take up item 2 14:14:48 agendum 2 -- Next steps WPWG charter -- taken up [from Ian] 14:15:04 https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/issues/262 14:15:51 JMGirard_ has joined #wpwg 14:18:20 present+ Sue_Koomen 14:19:00 q+ 14:19:01 Propose: We request that the Director initiate AC review of charter with restored text 14:19:03 ack Clinton_ 14:19:23 +1 to review charter 14:19:23 Clinton_: Do we have an expectation of how the change to the charter that would affect the UI/UX 14:19:27 +1, we have no objections to re-chartering (pending usual internal counsel review of the new charter) 14:19:42 q+ 14:21:06 ack smcgruer_[EST] 14:21:31 smcgruer_[EST]: Informal view - the proposed text should not inhibit our ability to do SPC 14:21:39 ...also note that WebAuthn has text like this as well 14:21:58 q+ 14:22:01 ack JeanLuc 14:22:26 JeanLuc: There's more UX specificity in 3DS, for example. 14:22:39 q+ to draw a vague line 14:22:58 q- 14:24:14 q+ 14:25:22 ack smcgruer_[EST] 14:25:49 Ian: Spec should not be as specific as EMVCo 3DS. Spec should not say "how" but should say "what". And SPC is not just for cards. 14:26:03 ...Chrome can also do what it wants 14:26:16 smcgruer_[EST]: Right: you can't spec the card art size; that's a browser implementation issue not a spec issue 14:26:50 And we as a browser implementor welcome that sort of feedback :) 14:27:23 JeanLuc: So each browser can make its own decision on implementation 14:27:58 q+ 14:28:01 JeanLuc:...the point of the experience is to have a recognizable 3DS UX 14:28:44 q+ 14:29:19 JeanLuc: Not sure SPC can comply with the 3DS test case as written 14:29:21 ack Gerhard 14:30:30 AdrianHB_ has joined #wpwg 14:30:48 Gerhard: +1 to not defining UX specifics; but it may be useful to point implementers (of the API) at guidance that is published by other parties so that browser implementers can build a compliant implementation 14:30:58 present+ Steve_Cole 14:31:30 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/13-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 14:31:41 q? 14:31:59 ack smcgruer_[EST] 14:32:28 smcgruer_[EST]: +1 to Gerhard. Adoption is important and fulfilling requirements of systems will drive us in the right direction 14:32:48 present+ Adrian_Hope-Bailie 14:34:54 q? to ask what the goal is? Is it explicitly that Apple will join the WG? 14:37:02 q+ to comment on wider goals too 14:37:19 ack smcgruer_[EST] 14:37:19 smcgruer_[EST], you wanted to comment on wider goals too 14:38:02 smcgruer_[EST]: It'd be valuable to have more browser vendors in this group to talk about future of payments on the web 14:39:10 AdrianHB_: I agree having more implementers in a group is great 14:43:24 ACTION: Ian to start a CfC regarding a change to the charter 14:43:30 zakim, close item 2 14:43:30 agendum 2, Next steps WPWG charter, closed 14:43:31 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:43:31 3. Review actions from remote meeting [from Ian] 14:43:46 https://www.w3.org/2023/03/27-wpwg-minutes.html#ActionSummary 14:45:35 Gustavo to help describe user journeys for "continuing" (related to fallback UX) 14:45:45 Gustavo: smcgruer_[EST] and I will chat tomorrow; stay turned 14:45:49 s/turned/tuned 14:46:01 zakim, close item 3 14:46:02 agendum 3, Review actions from remote meeting, closed 14:46:02 I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: 14:46:02 4. Upcoming meetings [from Ian] 14:46:05 zakim, take up item 4 14:46:05 agendum 4 -- Upcoming meetings -- taken up [from Ian] 14:46:13 Next meeting: 27 April 14:46:48 11 May meeting canceled 14:47:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/13-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 14:49:55 cferro has left #wpwg 14:50:10 Clinton_ has left #wpwg 14:50:16 SuzieAS has left #wpwg 14:50:42 zakim, bye 14:50:43 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Ian, Carey_Ferro, Gustavo_Kok, Anne_Pouillard, Jean-Michel_Girard, Franck_Delache, Clinton_Allen, Holger_Kunkat, Ryan_Watkins, 14:50:43 Zakim has left #wpwg 14:50:45 rrsagent, bye 14:50:45 I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2023/04/13-wpwg-actions.rdf : 14:50:45 ACTION: Ian to start a CfC regarding a change to the charter [1] 14:50:45 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/04/13-wpwg-irc#T14-43-24