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15:03:57 <CharlesL> Agenda+ Review Sheri’s Updates To Spreadsheet
15:03:57 <CharlesL> Agenda + Confirm TLDR document completed from feedback & Next Steps
15:03:57 <CharlesL> Agenda + Continuation of Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey:
15:03:57 <CharlesL> Agenda + New business
15:04:51 <CharlesL> Agenda+ Confirm TLDR document completed from feedback & Next Steps
15:05:02 <CharlesL> Agenda+ Continuation of Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey:
15:05:11 <CharlesL> Agenda+ New business
15:05:24 <CharlesL> agenda?
15:06:16 <CharlesL> agenda- item2
15:06:50 <CharlesL> agenda- item 2
15:07:50 <CharlesL> scribe+
15:08:01 <CharlesL> agenda?
15:08:38 <CharlesL> zakim, drop item 2
15:08:38 <Zakim> agendum 2, Confirm TLDR document completed from feedback & Next Steps, dropped
15:08:42 <CharlesL> agenda?
15:09:15 <CharlesL> zakim, take up next item
15:09:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 --  Review Sheri’s Updates To Spreadsheet -- taken up [from CharlesL]
15:10:15 <CharlesL> sheri: no access to file right now.
15:10:49 <CharlesL> … last weeks email has a link to the new excel spreadsheet
15:11:28 <CharlesL> … new members are getting the emails.
15:12:19 <SusanaPallero> Just to make sure, the document we are talking about is "updated MM spreadsheet", right?
15:12:59 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0004.html
15:13:09 <CharlesL> charles: increased font size and froze top section after row 5.
15:13:31 <janina> scribe+ Charles has suggestions ...
15:13:55 <janina> CharlesL: communications, row 14 -- consistent use of a11y template for
15:14:01 <janina> CharlesL: also row 15 ...
15:15:02 <janina> Sheri_B-H: suggesting two ways to handle the confusion
15:15:31 <janina> CharlesL: thnk it helps to disallow values and make things clearer
15:16:09 <janina> Sheri_B-H: We goofed in our early days by not agreeing first on a structure; we're now revisiting that
15:16:38 <janina> Sheri_B-H: Notes also that person working on "support" had to leave some time ago; we need someone to pick that up
15:17:02 <janina> sheri: Can zero out rows that are just informative
15:17:15 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0004.html
15:18:36 <janina> CharlesL: weill send sheri my suggestions on this ... perhaps i don't have all the right spots, but it seems we agree on how to proceed?
15:19:06 <janina> Sheri_B-H: a good starting point and we're open for further ideas
15:19:58 <CharlesL> Followup Actions: Charles will send Sheri the updated spreadsheet
15:20:15 <janina> subtopic: Any volunteers for Support sections?
15:20:31 <janina> Sheri_B-H: is actually pretty straight forward
15:20:40 <janina> SusanaPallero: I can try
15:20:47 <janina> Sheri_B-H: can help if you like
15:21:17 <janina> CharlesL: will susi also update?
15:21:47 <janina> Sheri_B-H: this is the problem working from a spreadsheet -- need to coordinate to avoid clashes
15:22:45 <janina> janina; Prefer we stay with Excel for a11y
15:22:57 <janina> Sheri_B-H: OK, I can maintain the main ss
15:23:25 <janina> CharlesL: where does Susi get those additional proof points?
15:23:41 <janina> Sheri_B-H: the Ontarians with Disabilities has outstanding ideas we can just take
15:24:19 <CharlesL> agenda?
15:25:00 <CharlesL> SusanaPallero: Will give proof points to Sheri for the Support sheet.
15:27:34 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: currently you can have 1 state, to prevent mistakes if you put something in it blocks the rest for totally. if you optimized for a proof point you can't adjust previous states. ie. put data in Integration stage then you can't adjust launch or inactive stage.
15:33:03 <SusanaPallero> q+
15:33:25 <CharlesL> …, For inactive stage we will have "no activity".  We will remove "partially implemented", and perhaps "started", we don't have to bother with "complete" because it will be covered in later stage.
15:35:12 <CharlesL> Mark: inactive should be binary.
15:35:23 <CharlesL> q+
15:35:29 <CharlesL> ack SusanaPallero
15:36:08 <CharlesL> SusanaPallero: reactive position, some remediation got sued for example didn't maintain it.
15:36:25 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: they may never get to launch.
15:37:11 <Sheri_B-H> They will never get *past* launch
15:37:15 <CharlesL> s/ may never get to launch/will get to launch, but not to integrate
15:37:21 <CharlesL> ackme
15:37:24 <CharlesL> ack me
15:38:09 <CharlesL> Charles: what about Not Applicable?
15:38:24 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: I will add that, was a mistake.
15:39:51 <CharlesL> …, Charles will send the updated spreadsheet, susana will send the proofpoints for CS. Sheri will fix the N/A and add the new proof points and disable the sub headers from the calculations.
15:39:53 <janina> regrets: Irfan_Ali, David_Fazio
15:40:09 <CharlesL> zakim, take up next item
15:40:09 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Confirm TLDR document completed from feedback & Next Steps -- taken up [from CharlesL]
15:40:19 <janina> regrets+ Lionel_Wolberger
15:41:13 <CharlesL> Mark: Stacy sent this out on Monday with a draft summary
15:41:28 <CharlesL> s/Stacy/Stacey
15:41:58 <CharlesL> Email:
15:42:01 <CharlesL> Summary
15:42:01 <CharlesL> 1 in 6 people in the world live with a disability. Providing accessible digital products and services is the right thing to do–it’s also required by law in many countries. 
15:42:01 <CharlesL> 
15:42:01 <CharlesL> Whether your company is just starting its cultural transformation on disability inclusion or looking to improve existing processes, the W3C Accessibility Maturity Model can help. 
15:42:03 <CharlesL> 
15:42:03 <CharlesL> The model is designed to work for any size of organization. From large enterprises, to nonprofit/NGOs or government agencies, it provides actionable guides for establishing or improving policies, employee-communication, training, and tools. It also includes a way to measure and document organizational, cultural and technical capabilities. 
15:42:03 <CharlesL> 
15:42:04 <CharlesL> The model is intended to be independent of the requirements in relevant technical accessibility standards, such as Aria and the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG).
15:43:10 <CharlesL> Charles: ARIA needs to be in all Caps.
15:43:39 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: I like it.  need to add small consulting organization, since that comes up frequently.  small service org.
15:43:51 <CharlesL> Janina: good generalization.
15:44:14 <Mark> q+
15:44:20 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: So this would replace the current introduction?
15:44:35 <CharlesL> janina: Yes but may be tweaked in the future.
15:44:51 <CharlesL> Mark: One in Six,
15:45:04 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: World Health quote should be inlcuded.
15:45:21 <Sheri_B-H> citation, not quote (cite the one in six)
15:45:28 <janina> q+
15:45:40 <CharlesL> Mark: opening paragraph "right thing to do" "req. by law" should we have something on return on investment?  or just stick with those two points?
15:45:49 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: Do we have data on ROI?
15:46:11 <CharlesL> Mark: could vary depending on the org. commercial vs. NP.
15:46:30 <CharlesL> … moving a11y effort shifting left.
15:46:53 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: cite study good a11y have higher profits.  Acsenture study?
15:47:34 <CharlesL> … hard RIO #'s out of Norway good paper.  not on RIO of a11y but on inclusive design $1 spent on Inclusive Design you save $4
15:48:19 <CharlesL> … Stacey will see the minutes and can update her draft and we can edit it next time she is here.
15:48:47 <CharlesL> janina: Legal requirements may need to be made clearer.
15:49:06 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: not Maturity Model is required but a11y is required.
15:49:12 <CharlesL> ack Mark
15:49:16 <CharlesL> ack janina
15:49:30 <CharlesL> zakim, next item
15:49:30 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Continuation of Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey: -- taken up [from CharlesL]
15:49:43 <CharlesL> zakim, close item 4
15:49:43 <Zakim> agendum 4, Continuation of Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey:, closed
15:49:45 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:49:45 <Zakim> 5.  New business [from CharlesL]
15:49:52 <CharlesL> zakim, take up next item
15:49:52 <Zakim> agendum 5 --  New business -- taken up [from CharlesL]
15:49:54 <Sheri_B-H> q+
15:50:00 <CharlesL> ack Sheri_B-H
15:50:22 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: We should start to talk about a public update. been six months since our last
15:50:52 <CharlesL> janina: I been meaning to bring this up. I strongly agree to publish often.
15:51:43 <CharlesL> Charles: I agree, but getting to that spreadsheet needs to be made easier in our doc.
15:51:59 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: Do we need to do a CFC?
15:52:04 <CharlesL> janina: No.
15:53:03 <CharlesL> … would be good to do some planning on this and the future.
15:53:50 <CharlesL> … publication schedule, maybe a grant application.
15:54:15 <CharlesL> s/… publlication/Sheri: Publication
15:55:58 <CharlesL> rrsagent, make logs public
15:56:04 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:56:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-maturity-minutes.html CharlesL
16:00:13 <CharlesL> s/scribe+ Charles has suggestions …/scribe+
16:00:25 <CharlesL> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-maturity-minutes.html CharlesL
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