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13:14:08 <cris__> topic: minutes review
13:14:42 <cris__> mc: there is a confusing sentence, did the meeting happen or it did not?
13:14:58 <cris__> ege: I don't know
13:15:07 <cris__> ... not in the 28th for sure
13:15:53 <cris__> mc: we are sharing the slide links everywhere
13:15:59 <cris__> ... everybody can comment
13:16:12 <cris__> ... there might be problems
13:16:20 <cris__> ... they can't change the content
13:16:20 <Ege> q+
13:16:27 <cris__> ... should we try to protect these?
13:16:46 <cris__> ege: we can always close inappropriate comments
13:17:15 <cris__> mc: yes we can even disable the comment feature, but the slide should be still accessible
13:17:32 <cris__> ... at this point all the links are pubblic
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13:18:05 <cris__> ... other than the first issue minutes look ok
13:18:13 <cris__> s/look/looks/
13:18:23 <cris__> topic: dev meeting plan
13:19:21 <kaz> q+
13:19:49 <cris__> s/topic: dev meeting plan//
13:20:20 <cris__> kaz: as I reported there was a TD dev meeting
13:20:34 <cris__> mc: did it happen on march 28th?
13:20:44 <cris__> kaz: not sure the date I have to check
13:21:15 <cris__> ... confirmed 28th of March
13:21:19 <kaz> i|there is a con|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-pf-minutes.html Mar-29|
13:23:11 <kaz> i/as I/(Kaz joins)/
13:23:18 <cris__> topic: dev meeting plan
13:23:29 <cris__> mc: we have two slide decks, architecture is good
13:23:45 <kaz> i/we have to/subtopic: Architecture/
13:24:02 <cris__> ... there is an issue in the assertion comunication-platform
13:24:08 <cris__> ... not sure it even make sense
13:25:12 <cris__> ... also pre-shared keys should be changed to certificates
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13:25:16 <cris__> subtopic: discovery ù
13:25:24 <cris__> s/ù//
13:25:57 <kaz> i|subtopic|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2023Apr/0002.html Slides info (For Members)|
13:26:09 <cris__> mc: I noticed that we are using an outdated URI for link-description-type
13:26:19 <kaz> i|subtopic|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Group/group-wot-ie/2023Apr/0001.html Slides info (For IEs)|
13:26:20 <cris__> ... for the test we will consider correct both the old and the new one
13:26:25 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:26:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:26:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:27:03 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:27:18 <cris__> mc: there is also a loop hole in tdd-http-alternate-language
13:27:30 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:27:41 <cris__> ... people can satisfy the assertion even if they to do provide a TD with the right language
13:27:45 <cris__> ... it needs to be updated
13:27:54 <kaz> q+
13:27:59 <cris__> ... any other logistical things that we need to do ?
13:28:04 <cris__> ege: what about the video?
13:28:10 <cris__> mc: we didn't decide yet
13:28:23 <kaz> i/there is a c/scribenick: cris__/
13:28:49 <cris__> ... the concern is record the meeting
13:28:51 <kaz> q?
13:28:52 <kaz> ack e
13:29:05 <kaz> meeting: WoT-Testing/Profile
13:29:38 <cris__> mc: we are settling for record a video blog in a separate setting
13:29:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:29:56 <cris__> ege: then where to be shared ?
13:30:05 <cris__> mc: we need also to review it
13:30:14 <cris__> ... so where you host it meanwhile ?
13:30:23 <cris__> ege: we can use youtube
13:30:26 <cris__> mc: or google drive
13:31:03 <cris__> ege: regarding the timing, it might be too tight
13:31:07 <cris__> mc: I know..
13:31:19 <cris__> ... we can mail the presentation too
13:31:24 <cris__> ... without making the video
13:31:56 <cris__> mc: what value the voice over adds?
13:32:02 <cris__> ... maybe not that much
13:32:29 <kaz> q?
13:34:51 <cris__> kaz: thing about too much about the video does not worth it. We should focus on inviting people to the event
13:36:00 <cris__> ... also we need to identify which features are important and prioritize accordingly.
13:36:07 <cris__> mc: we will do this for discovery
13:36:33 <cris__> ... my guess is that policy assertions might be sacrificed
13:36:44 <cris__> ... other things might happen
13:36:58 <kaz> s/thing about too much about the video does not worth it./Thinking about the video recording too much would not make sense./
13:37:04 <cris__> ... language is something that we need to provide to meet internationalization goals
13:37:10 <kaz> s/focus on/rather focus on/
13:37:18 <Ege> q?
13:37:20 <Ege> q+
13:37:23 <kaz> ack k
13:37:32 <kaz> s/and prioritize/and prioritized/
13:37:47 <cris__> mc: I'll try to resolve some of the missing assertions
13:37:53 <cris__> ... the list might get shorter
13:38:30 <cris__> ege: a lot of these are best practices, I see this in all around our other spec documents.
13:38:45 <kaz> ack e
13:38:46 <kaz> q+
13:38:46 <cris__> ... I think we are shouting ourselves in the foot
13:39:01 <cris__> ... we should consider where to move this best practices
13:39:16 <cris__> mc: discovery is a web server
13:39:25 <cris__> ... and it needs to be implemented in a secure fashion
13:39:39 <cris__> ... we should discourage things that have security holes
13:40:12 <cris__> ... lot of these assertions are need to create a secure service
13:40:44 <cris__> ege: instructing people is good
13:40:53 <cris__> ... but it is not a feature
13:41:02 <cris__> mc: in architecture might be true
13:41:15 <cris__> ... but in discovery a lot of them are really feature
13:41:32 <cris__> ... there are some policies
13:41:59 <luca_barbato_> q+
13:42:27 <cris__> mc: the point is that we have these assertions
13:42:32 <luca_barbato_> q-
13:42:40 <cris__> ... we have to figure it out how to test them
13:42:41 <luca_barbato_> q+
13:43:01 <cris__> mc: discoverer behavior is important
13:43:06 <cris__> kaz: I agree with Ege
13:43:28 <cris__> ... but we need to discuss this important question another time
13:43:46 <cris__> ... and now focus on charter discussion and closing the work of the current charter
13:44:07 <cris__> ... during the arch call we might not get implementations for some of the assertions
13:44:20 <cris__> ... therefore we should concentrate on important features
13:45:26 <kaz> s/I agree with Ege/I agree with Ege, and that's why I also mentioned similar comments during the Architecture call yesterday./
13:45:32 <cris__> luca: if an assertion is important for interoperability it should stay, but if the assertion is about policies or nice to have features should be moved to another section
13:45:47 <kaz> s/another time/another time for the next Charter period./
13:45:54 <kaz> s/but we need/However, we need/
13:46:17 <cris__> ... also is not good to have too many fuzzy assertions, because people might ignore them all together
13:46:36 <kaz> s/now focus on charter/now should focus on discussion for the current Charter period/
13:46:49 <kaz> s/work of the/work for the/
13:46:53 <cris__> mc: another idea is to prioritize assertions that already have 1 implementation
13:47:01 <cris__> topic: Testfest
13:47:21 <cris__> mc: it is immediately after hannover fair
13:47:43 <kaz> s/during the arch call we might not/Maybe we might not be going to/
13:48:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:48:36 <kaz> q+
13:48:36 <cris__> mc: should we send a email to the group and confirm the dates
13:48:42 <cris__> ack l
13:48:57 <cris__> ack k
13:49:18 <cris__> ... we will discuss it in the main call
13:53:33 <kaz> q+
13:53:44 <cris__> mc: anything else?
13:53:55 <kaz> ack k
13:54:01 <cris__> kaz: the test task force should be clear about what to prepare for this event
13:54:13 <cris__> mc: yes, we need to clean up readmes
13:54:22 <cris__> subtopic: PR
13:54:28 <kaz> s/what to prepare/what to be prepared/
13:54:35 <cris__> mc: we have a new PR
13:54:44 <cris__> mc: merging 539
13:54:45 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/539
13:54:59 <Mizushima> +1 kaz
13:55:03 <cris__> [adjourned]
13:55:40 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/539|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/539 PR 539 - Update saywot manual csv|
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