IRC log of rqtf on 2023-04-05
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 05 April 2023
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- chair: jasonjgw
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- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
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- agenda+ Media synchronization use cases and user needs.
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- agenda+ Collaboration Tool Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Miscelaneous updates and topics.
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- agenda?
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Media synchronization use cases and user needs. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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- present+ John_Paton
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- present+ Raja
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- jasonjgw: Updated wiki page in view of our discussion.
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- Transcript wiki at: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Transcript_synchronization
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- jasonjgw: Some of these capabilities seem to exist already
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- SteveNoble: YouTube uses its own proprietary technology to support the interaction where users can review the video transcript, search for a particular word, and then navigate to that part of the video
- 13:05:21 [jasonjgw]
- Steve investigated, noting that the support for relevant capabilities is proprietary in YouTube.
- 13:05:30 [jasonjgw]
- Steve: it supports searching and navigation to the point where the search term is found in the video. As far as Steve has determined, this capability isn't directly supported in existing Web specifications (WebVTT, TTML).
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- raja: Google has some capabilities as well using VTT
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- raja: Times transcripts are easier to add with ASR
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- jasonjgw: Not sure if TTML or WebVTT specifications are well supported and which might be best to concentrate for new capabilities
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- janina: WebVTT was a Google tech originally
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- janina: Both are W3C specs so we can read them
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- janina: Will need to differentiate between captions and transcripts
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- Raja: The main thing is if they are inside the video or outside the video
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- janina: Some video containers may be able to include these assets, may need to investigate
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- Raja: There are differences in the way these assets are stored...whether it is streamed or a recording
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- janina: We need to be clear that we need something more than just the verbal steam
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- Links from Raja: https://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/
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- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLfs-SUEerY
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- https://ableplayer.github.io/ableplayer/
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- janina: Finding what the Metraska (sp?) spec is and what it supports
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- janina: Also MP4
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- Raja: will look into this
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- Raja: All major browsers support webvtt and to show captions or timed transcripts. A major open source web based video player supports showing both captions and timed transcripts
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/REC-ttml1-20181108/
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- janina: We discuss some of this in the MAUR
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- jasonjgw: Will look at the MAUR and we can cite that
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- jasonjgw: We can bring back next week
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Collaboration Tool Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:21:15 [SteveNoble]
- jasonjgw: Updates?
- 13:22:02 [janina]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Collaboration_Tool_Accessibility
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/ctaur/
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- janina: So, there was some confusion on what source document to examine, and COGA was looking at the wiki rather than the FPWD
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- scott_h: Have found Microsoft collaboration documents simpler than Google docs
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- jasonjgw: Have noticed that Microsoft has been making major changes at high frequency, so perhaps they will be more inclined for accessibility updates in this regard
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- jasonjgw: They have integrated some automated helps on document editing, so that is something else to look at in the AI discussion
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- janina: We seem to be on the right track now on getting comments
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- janina: Expect comments in perhaps 3 weeks
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- scott_h: Have been looking more on this and have some contributions to make
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Miscelaneous updates and topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:35:14 [SteveNoble]
- subtopic: XR and accessibility
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- jasonjgw: Need to look at the Benetech grant, but still waiting for an email response
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- subtopic: Metaverse
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- janina: Discussed in recent leadership meeting. Desire to pull together related specifications and best practices on accessibility in the metaverse
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- janina: Desire to identify anything that is at least FPWD
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- janina: Need to get this done in 2 weeks
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- jasonjgw: We have some of this in some of our documents, like SAUR and Natural Language
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- Raja: Both time and space. Time, speech and video are typical to track, but with XR one also has to track space
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- janina: Good to consider updates to these documents with XR in mind
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- jasonjgw: Can bring back Metaverse standards discussion next week
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- jasonjgw: Future of Interface workshop recordings are available. Would be good to investigate
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- https://futureofinterface.org/
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, scott_h, SteveNoble, janina, John_Paton, Raja
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