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13:57:26 <kaz> meeting: Media Entertainment Interest Group
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14:00:00 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Andreas_Tai, Chris_Needham, Hisayuki_Ohmata, Kinji_Matsumura, Tatsuya_Igarashi
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14:02:25 <kaz> present+ Francois_Daoust, Ryo_Yasuoka
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14:04:19 <cpn> Chair: Chris, Igarashi
14:04:23 <kaz> present+ Ewan_Roycroft
14:04:34 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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14:04:45 <kaz> q+
14:04:59 <cpn> scribe+ cpn
14:04:59 <JohnRiv> present+
14:05:23 <cpn> Slides -> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nwduBeigumppOYISDMFfZDHc6Rpk-6BgfjOam_Bvzq4/edit
14:05:45 <kaz> present+ Chris_Lorenzo
14:06:02 <tidoust> Slideset: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nwduBeigumppOYISDMFfZDHc6Rpk-6BgfjOam_Bvzq4/edit
14:06:22 <kaz> topic: Agenda
14:06:28 <tidoust> [Slide 2]
14:06:28 <kaz> cpn: several topics
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14:06:45 <kaz> ... rechartering, media wg updates
14:06:56 <kaz> s/... r/cpn: r/
14:07:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:07:14 <kaz> ... also AV Meia Formats CG
14:07:27 <kaz> ... and F2F meeting during TPAC 2023
14:08:09 <kaz> topic: Rechartering
14:08:16 <kaz> cpn: current charter ends the end of April
14:08:30 <tidoust> [Slide 3]
14:08:48 <kaz> -> @@@ draft charter
14:09:02 <kaz> -> @@2 yet another update by a PR
14:09:08 <kaz> cpn: need extension
14:09:42 <cpn> kaz: The IG needs to finalise the draft charter, then in parallel I'll request rechartering in the strategy repository
14:10:08 <cpn> ... once the draft is fixed from the group's viewpoint, we can start the security, privacy, i18n, and a11y reviews, W3M, AC review
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14:10:15 <cpn> ... usually takes 2-3 months
14:10:28 <Louay> present+ Louay_Bassbouss
14:10:29 <cpn> ... so we should requests a 3 months extension
14:10:43 <kaz> present+ Yasser
14:10:57 <tidoust> present+ Francois
14:10:59 <cpn> Kaz: I'll talk with PLH about that, to bring to W3M
14:11:47 <kaz> s|@@@|https://w3c.github.io/media-and-entertainment/charters/charter-2023.html|
14:12:03 <kaz> s|@@2|https://github.com/w3c/media-and-entertainment/pull/94|
14:12:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:13:03 <kaz> cpn: (goes through the preview draft)
14:13:18 <kaz> -> https://cdn.statically.io/gh/w3c/media-and-entertainment/use-latest-template/charters/charter-2023.html preview
14:13:29 <kaz> ... starting with Success Criteria
14:13:44 <kaz> -> https://cdn.statically.io/gh/w3c/media-and-entertainment/use-latest-template/charters/charter-2023.html#success-criteria 4. Success Criteria
14:14:08 <kaz> ... next change around Coordination
14:14:42 <kaz> [[
14:14:42 <kaz> Engagement and coordination with other organizations in the media industry to promote implementation of W3C standards,
14:14:43 <kaz> ]]
14:14:49 <kaz> cpn: then scope
14:15:14 <kaz> [[
14:15:16 <kaz> Identification of requirements for improved support for media-centric applications on the Web platform
14:15:17 <kaz> ]]
14:15:26 <kaz> cpn: that's rather clarification
14:15:37 <kaz> ... then finally list of coordination groups
14:15:57 <kaz> ... Audiovisual Media Formats for Browsers CG has been added
14:16:06 <kaz> ... that group started around TPAC last year
14:16:16 <kaz> ... will talk about that group later
14:16:26 <kaz> ... have some questions
14:16:45 <kaz> ... the new template has a new section around Motivation and Background
14:17:02 <kaz> ... my question is if it's necessary for us
14:17:08 <kaz> ... or can simply remove the section?
14:17:19 <kaz> ... second question is
14:17:28 <kaz> ... if we want to keep it, what to say?
14:17:43 <kaz> ... would be useful to describe what to do around media on the Web
14:17:56 <kaz> ... background and relevance as a positive story
14:18:36 <kaz> ... my concern is that we potentially need some more time to update that section and get consensus
14:18:43 <atai_> q+
14:18:47 <kaz> ... so do we think we should write something?
14:18:48 <kaz> ack k
14:18:53 <kaz> ack a
14:19:01 <kaz> atai: think that's useful section
14:19:11 <kaz> ... maybe a few sentences would work
14:19:28 <kaz> ... others may want to read that section
14:19:33 <kaz> ... may helpful
14:19:46 <kaz> ... should not use too much time, though
14:19:52 <kaz> cpn: tend to agree
14:19:58 <kaz> ... doesn't need to be very long
14:20:11 <kaz> ... is anybody interested to help?
14:20:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:20:35 <kaz> q?
14:20:46 <kaz> q+
14:21:01 <cpn> cpn: is it required for the rechartering?
14:21:27 <cpn> Kaz: Not all groups have it, so if we need to work on it quickly, it could be skipped. But providing some brief text could be very helpful
14:21:37 <kaz> i/is it/scribenick: cpn/
14:21:41 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
14:21:44 <kaz> cpn: agree
14:21:53 <kaz> ... my only question is time schedule
14:22:21 <kaz> ... we have to draft some text to be reviewed by everybody
14:22:25 <atai_> q+
14:22:36 <kaz> ... once we got a consensus, we can send it out to the horizontal review
14:22:37 <kaz> ack k
14:22:42 <kaz> ... happy to draft something
14:22:59 <kaz> ... don't know what extent to be described, though
14:23:05 <cpn> q?
14:23:14 <kaz> ... we can describe what we're looking forward, etc.
14:23:25 <kaz> atai: also looked at the timeline
14:23:35 <kaz> ... don't block the schedule
14:23:43 <kaz> ... both are possible
14:23:47 <kaz> q+
14:23:50 <kaz> ack a
14:24:03 <kaz> ... maybe we can agree on during the next meeting?
14:24:14 <kaz> cpn: maybe too long to wait until the next call
14:24:36 <kaz> ... this came late since we were not aware of the latest template
14:24:38 <kaz> ... sorry
14:25:01 <kaz> ... maybe I can draft some text to be shared to you
14:25:10 <kaz> kaz: tx
14:25:12 <kaz> ... can help
14:25:21 <kaz> ... maybe within one week or so
14:25:33 <kaz> cpn: and the next step is getting consensus
14:26:21 <cpn> Kaz: If the other parts are fine, focus on the motivation section and ask for specific review on that from members
14:26:31 <kaz> i/If/scribenick: cpn/
14:26:45 <kaz> scribenick: ka
14:26:47 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
14:26:57 <kaz> q-
14:27:05 <kaz> topic: Media WG updates
14:27:08 <kaz> subtopic: MSE
14:27:08 <tidoust> [slide 4]
14:27:33 <kaz> cpn: MSE and EME
14:28:00 <kaz> ... the person who has been working on those topics is no longer available
14:28:15 <kaz> ... so need to re-prioritize the topics
14:28:45 <kaz> ... consensus within the Media WG about what to do
14:28:50 <kaz> ... so the features are coming
14:29:09 <kaz> ... encoding VR formats, etc.
14:29:14 <kaz> ... dynamic insertion as well
14:29:23 <kaz> ... the other major item is Worker support
14:29:35 <kaz> ... not Service Workers
14:29:56 <kaz> ... need some level of implementation support
14:30:09 <kaz> ... at the moment, maybe only by Chromium
14:30:45 <kaz> ... easier for developers to support dynamic rendering on Safari
14:31:08 <kaz> ... useful to constraint resource device
14:31:10 <kaz> ... including TV sets
14:31:34 <kaz> ... user agents to react to changes in available memory and networking capabilities
14:31:41 <kaz> ... think it's an interesting proposal
14:32:01 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/media-source/issues/232 MSE issue 232
14:32:15 <kaz> -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jJ0nse9i3cpE59mhSiq2ZKemCq1B5ZuLQ2UzqigIYLA/edit explainer
14:32:39 <kaz> cpn: would like go into the details of the proposal at some point
14:32:57 <kaz> ... those are the scope for v2
14:33:32 <kaz> ... on the other hand, reduce the power impact of MediaSource APIs
14:33:50 <kaz> ... because of constrained resources
14:34:10 <kaz> ... but likely deferred to a future version
14:34:38 <kaz> ... another thing might be in the scope is bug fixing
14:34:52 <kaz> ... some high-priority topics there
14:35:01 <kaz> ... as part of the v2 iteration
14:35:10 <kaz> ... any questions?
14:35:24 <kaz> ... if any time during the call, happy to revisit this
14:35:34 <kaz> subtopic: EME
14:35:45 <kaz> cpn: similar situation
14:35:51 <kaz> ... a few features for v2
14:36:16 <kaz> ... add encryption schema capability detection
14:36:27 <kaz> ... proposed feature to find an existing EME session
14:36:35 <kaz> ... was de-priotized
14:36:47 <kaz> ... due to lack of developer need
14:37:09 <kaz> ... then
14:37:22 <kaz> ... new question on how EME operates data
14:37:35 <kaz> ... control any persistent storage browser maintains
14:37:56 <kaz> ... Web site would log out any cookies
14:38:09 <kaz> ... session maintenance and key management
14:38:19 <tidoust> i/cpn: similar situation/[Slide 5]
14:38:25 <kaz> ... feedback welcome
14:38:47 <kaz> ... the argument is complexity due to negotiation
14:39:06 <cpn> q?
14:39:11 <kaz> ... if any particular opinions, feedback welcome
14:39:24 <kaz> ... EME v2 ends with those features
14:39:45 <kaz> ... recommendation is reviewing the draft
14:39:49 <tidoust> [Slide 6]
14:40:18 <kaz> s/... recommendation is reviewing the draft//
14:40:24 <kaz> ... recommendation is reviewing the draft
14:40:41 <kaz> ... happy to follow up
14:40:59 <kaz> ... any thoughts/comments?
14:41:14 <kaz> john: let's work together
14:41:20 <kaz> cpn: yes, let's coordinate
14:41:30 <kaz> s/draft/draft by CTA WAVE/
14:41:39 <kaz> topic: AV Media Format CG
14:41:44 <kaz> cpn: proposal from Dolby
14:41:49 <tidoust> [Slide 7]
14:41:55 <kaz> ... particular AV format they develop
14:42:30 <kaz> ... because they're very careful about intellectual issues
14:42:34 <kaz> ... created a CG
14:42:39 <kaz> s/CG/separate CG/
14:42:48 <kaz> ... since we met during the TPAC 2022
14:43:01 <kaz> ... developed a Charter to define the scope of the CG
14:43:29 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/avmedia-formats-cg/pull/2 avmedia-formats-cg PR 2
14:43:45 <kaz> cpn: interest in their developed particular format
14:43:59 <kaz> ... the link in the slide here (above) for the draft Charter
14:44:11 <kaz> ... the next step is for that Charter to be reviewed
14:44:21 <kaz> ... by the CG
14:44:29 <kaz> ... and people from Dolby as well
14:44:47 <kaz> ... at some point very soon, actual points to be presented
14:44:56 <kaz> ... what they want to achieve, etc.
14:45:03 <kaz> ... to be scheduled
14:45:12 <kaz> ... so that you can join it
14:45:22 <kaz> ... hopefully not far away
14:45:30 <kaz> ... any questions?
14:45:32 <kaz> (none)
14:45:37 <kaz> topic: TPAC 2023
14:45:46 <kaz> cpn: last item for today
14:45:47 <tidoust> [Slide 8]
14:45:59 <kaz> ... when we want to meet?
14:46:06 <kaz> ... in Sep, 2023
14:46:15 <kaz> ... although that's in 5 months away
14:46:33 <kaz> ... but we need make decision if we want to have a f2f meeting there
14:46:57 <kaz> ... TPAC will be organized as a 5-day meeitng
14:47:10 <kaz> ... 2 * 1.5h sessions in the morning
14:47:21 <kaz> ... and 2 * 2h session in the afternoon
14:47:34 <kaz> ... historically, we've been holding our meeting on Monday
14:47:47 <kaz> ... expecting the meeting will be partly remote
14:48:43 <kaz> ... suggestion is either 1 or 2 * 1.5h sessions in the morning or 2 hour session in the afternoon
14:48:56 <kaz> ... last year schedule here
14:49:09 <kaz> [slide 9]
14:49:14 <kaz> cpn: my question is
14:49:25 <kaz> ... are there other groups for joint meetings?
14:49:37 <kaz> ... e.g., TTWG
14:49:48 <kaz> ... have not have discussion with them, though
14:50:10 <kaz> [slide 8]
14:50:14 <kaz> cpn: (go back to slide 8)
14:50:25 <kaz> ... would have presentation from NHK too
14:50:59 <kaz> ... during TPAC or a separate meeting after TPAC
14:51:15 <kaz> ... would like to combine those two meetings like we did last year
14:51:24 <kaz> ... please let me know about your preference
14:51:34 <kaz> ... would like to put it into the agenda
14:51:45 <kaz> ... roughly coming back to TV apps
14:52:07 <kaz> ... historically, we invited joint sessions with WAVE guys
14:52:18 <kaz> ... would like to invite them again
14:52:30 <kaz> ... the question is if we have enough time for all the agenda items
14:52:36 <JohnRiv> q+
14:52:40 <kaz> ... any thoughts?
14:52:54 <kaz> john: timing?
14:53:01 <kaz> ... sometimes have meetings IBC
14:53:08 <kaz> ... 14th
14:53:19 <kaz> ... so Monday/Tuesday would be the best
14:53:26 <kaz> cpn: right
14:53:47 <kaz> john: WAVE meeting at IBC the week before
14:54:14 <kaz> cpn: would like to put all the media stuff Monday/Tuesday
14:54:20 <kaz> john: sounds good
14:54:35 <kaz> cpn: also survey on TV apps and performance
14:54:46 <kaz> ... there is extended deadline
14:55:07 <kaz> john: trying to understand how app developers are active
14:55:32 <kaz> ... would hear from everybody from industry
14:55:35 <kaz> cpn: ok
14:55:44 <kaz> ... maybe would be good to have joint discussion
14:55:51 <kaz> ... in coming month
14:55:59 <kaz> ... have sent it to EBU too
14:56:31 <kaz> ... not necessary hear from individual broadcasters, though
14:56:40 <kaz> ... mixed picture there
14:56:55 <kaz> ... we did have interesting conversations
14:57:00 <kaz> john: sounds good
14:57:07 <kaz> cpn: a few minutes left now
14:57:12 <kaz> ... anything missed?
14:57:21 <kaz> ... one thing may be interesting
14:57:36 <kaz> ... think about what to discuss for upcoming meetings?
14:57:53 <kaz> ... May 2
14:58:08 <kaz> ... maybe not good due to the Golden Week in Japan
14:58:10 <kaz> q+
14:58:27 <kaz> ack j
14:58:29 <kaz> ack
14:58:32 <kaz> ack k
14:58:43 <kaz> kaz: note that the next week will be the AC meeting
14:58:48 <kaz> cpn: right
14:58:59 <kaz> ... maybe need to cancel the May call
14:59:52 <kaz> ... good news is getting more interest on TV apps from browser vendors
15:00:01 <kaz> ... any final comments/thoughts?
15:00:07 <kaz> q+
15:00:30 <kaz> ack k
15:00:35 <kaz> topic: AOB
15:00:43 <cpn> Kaz: So you and I will send an email about the Background and Motivation?
15:00:52 <cpn> Chris: Yes, in the next week, then CfC with proposed wording
15:00:55 <kaz> i/So/scribenick: cpn/
15:01:20 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
15:01:34 <kaz> cpn: would like to discuss more technical topics next time :)
15:01:55 <kaz> ... if you celebrate holidays like Easter and Golden Week, please enjoy!
15:01:58 <kaz> [adjourned]
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