IRC log of coga on 2023-04-03

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Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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agenda+ Collaboration Tool Accessibility Feedback <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1odt2eWGeJT06S2xdW2H3ymTHOTa0QWkscNSEphNI1og/edit#heading=h.wik9fsv1osxs> next steps

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agenda+ Collaboration Tool Accessibility Feedback <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1odt2eWGeJT06S2xdW2H3ymTHOTa0QWkscNSEphNI1og/edit#heading=h.wik9fsv1osxs> next steps

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agenda+ Fast task force

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agenda+ subgroups <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups>

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regrets, EA RAIN

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agenda+ reminder no meeting next week

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agenda?

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present+

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scribe: becca

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present+

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agendum 1 -- Collaboration Tool Accessibility Feedback <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1odt2eWGeJT06S2xdW2H3ymTHOTa0QWkscNSEphNI1og/edit#heading=h.wik9fsv1osxs> next steps --

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present+

15:06:52 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: New members - reach out to Lisa for orientation calls if you need one.

15:07:33 [Becca_Monteleone]

Jan: Please invite Jan to next orientation meeting in order to develop a "cheat sheet" for new COGA members.

15:08:19 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: we could also add this info as a page on our Wiki once complete

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present+

15:09:15 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: collaboration tool accessibility feedback given at the end of last year, noting that more work was needed. Jennie was editing the document

15:10:37 [Becca_Monteleone]

John: Shawn and John tried to collaborate on a document but ran into licensing issues and other problems that made it impossible. Good anecdote for collaboration tool feedback.

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present+

15:12:37 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: APA research questions group is making a document on accessibility of collaboration tools (e.g. Github, Google Docs, Microsoft suite). They gave COGA 1 month to add comments last year. APA did not have time to address comments last year, so added a note with summary of COGA comments

15:13:42 [Becca_Monteleone]

David: Did we get any feedback from APA re: issues with sharing our feedback?

15:14:32 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: Janina wanted every issue as a separate link, but compromised on a single Github issue with a link to the Google docs

15:16:42 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: APA has not looked at our extensive feedback yet. Two ways to give feedback: 1) give each issue as a separate issue in Github, or 2) copy their document into Google doc, add our comments, and then they have to reply to each comment in Google

15:20:27 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: first question - do we have everything that we need? I think we need new next steps. First, can members review it again to see if any notes are missing?

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Lisa: Next question - should we put it in Github or Google?

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q?

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Lisa: Third - we need someone to edit our comments to make them understandable to APA

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Lisa: Can John and Shawn capture the issues they encountered with the collaborative doc?

15:22:02 [Becca_Monteleone]

John: John and Shawn will work on doing this.

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Lisa: Does any else have a strong preference for Google v. Github?

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David: David can be the person who transfers between Google docs and Github

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Lisa: Is that something that you can do quickly?

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David: will need to think about timeline he can work on.

15:25:00 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: Recommends a COGA call to go through the document together

15:25:34 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: Call should include Shawn, John, David, Jennie, and Lisa

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Eric: Also interested in joining call

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next item

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topic: tpac

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Lisa: TPAC scheduled for sept 11-sept 15 in Seville, Spain

15:29:25 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: Travel may be complicated. There is not a direct flight from most places to Seville. Would likely involve taking a train from Madrid.

15:30:12 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: provisional schedule - group meetings Monday and Tuesday. Tech plenary on Wednesday. group meetings Thursday and Friday

15:31:09 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: Need to leave before Friday. COGA could meet on Monday + Tuesday and Lisa could meet virtually once she leaves. This year hoping for a stronger in-person presence from COGA

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Lisa: do people want to have a face-to-face in Seville?

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John: Do we know if AG or APA or EO have schedules for TPAC yet?

15:33:56 [Jan_]

I will not be able to attend TPAC because I will still be in the middle of my front end dev program.

15:34:43 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: not yet. Guessing that APA will be meeting. And guessing it will be closer to the beginning of the week because of the Friday conflict with Jewish new year

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John: unlikely to be able to attend, but does not know yet.

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Lisa: Even if COGA does not meet, anyone is able to attend other meetings

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next item

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Lisa: FAST is a document started by Michael Cooper about functional needs for accessibility

15:38:40 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: Includes functional need and user needs

15:39:21 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: First draft re: COGA needed substantial edits. COGA worked to create "buckets" of categories related to COGA.

15:40:48 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: Made a strong recommendation that co-morbidity needs to be accounted for. E.g. people with motor issues may also have COGA issues. Functional needs solutions often assume only one need

15:41:33 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: E.g. screenreaders like JAWS may be very difficult/impossible to use for some people with intellectual disabilities who also are blind

15:42:38 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: COGA feedback did not get fully integrated into FAST.

15:43:08 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: Now starting FAST task force. Task force should have COGA representation

15:44:22 [Becca_Monteleone]

John: Interested, but does not want to overextend

15:44:51 [Jan_]

If it starts meeting after the middle of November, I could possibly join, but my time is going to be very limited from May 8 - mid November.

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next item

15:47:24 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: Thursday is test plan and strategy subgroup

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Lisa: Mental health subgroup has updated action items.

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Lisa: Aiming to have 2 issue papers publish-ready and adding a new persona

15:51:31 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: No meeting next week.

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Becca: Will have publish-ready paper drafts for April 17 for review

15:54:02 [Becca_Monteleone]

Lisa: We have many issues on Github. Can someone go through and tag them correctly?

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next item

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close item 5

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