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13:41:20 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:43:10 <jeanne> agenda?
13:43:30 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
13:43:30 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:44:33 <jeanne> agenda+ Next week in AG
13:44:33 <jeanne> agenda+ List of Methods for each Error Notification Outcome
13:44:33 <jeanne> agenda+ How do we want to package this information for AG and for a
13:44:33 <jeanne> working draft?
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14:00:28 <Lauriat> agenda?
14:01:52 <Lauriat> Zakim, drop item 4
14:01:52 <Zakim> agendum 4, Dad jokes & the evolutionary development, dropped
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14:02:42 <maryjom> present+
14:04:06 <maryjom> scribe: maryjom
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14:04:32 <maryjom> zakim, take up next
14:04:32 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Next week in AG -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:04:32 <Rachael> present+
14:04:48 <jeanne> present+
14:04:50 <Lauriat> Present+
14:04:52 <Luis> present+
14:04:52 <Chuck> present+
14:05:38 <Makoto> present+
14:05:40 <jeanne> agenda for AG meeting -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2023Mar/0024.html
14:06:29 <Rachael> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Upcoming_agendas
14:06:29 <maryjom> jeanne: Wrong agenda above...
14:06:29 <Lauriat> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2023Mar/0029.html
14:06:40 <Rachael> WCAG 3 Review of revised conformance section survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG3_conformance_March_23/
14:07:00 <maryjom> jeanne: Review of the revised conformance sections survey. Please make sure you do the survey before it closes later today.
14:07:29 <maryjom> jeanne: For WCAG 2.2 they are doing the parsing survey and issues survey.
14:07:33 <Rachael> Proposal to change Taskforce Authority Survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/authority-to-publish-23/
14:07:42 <Rachael> WCAG2ICT Second Content Review Survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG2ICT-second-content-review-by-AGWG/
14:07:58 <Rachael> q+
14:08:06 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:08:19 <maryjom> jeanne: Encourage you also complete the two surveys for the April 11 call - WCAG2ICT content review and changing the Taskforce Authority
14:09:08 <maryjom> Rachael: The Conformance survey that we've been working on and trying to improve the content so it works better together. This is more of an editorial review.
14:09:30 <maryjom> Rachael: This is to approve the content for the next published draft of WCAG 3.
14:10:54 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
14:10:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- List of Methods for each Error Notification Outcome -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:10:56 <kirkwood> present+
14:11:15 <jeanne> Error NOtification -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jtZaUzLi-jgmGdAypRUeJPzVz_ZUpMO0wdOrORiuO7w/
14:11:17 <maryjom> ...we are all now moving on to working in the live document, which will not be scribed.
14:13:09 <Chuck> +1 reading aloud :-)
14:15:17 <Chuck> q+
14:17:08 <Lauriat> q+ to note the scale of writing needed for this and how I hope we can manage that
14:18:15 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
14:21:10 <Lauriat> ack me
14:21:10 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to note the scale of writing needed for this and how I hope we can manage that
14:23:11 <Chuck> q+
14:23:14 <Chuck> ack Ch
14:23:54 <jeanne> q+ to suggest that we just reference existing specs and not repeat that
14:24:51 <Lauriat> ack jeanne
14:24:51 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to suggest that we just reference existing specs and not repeat that
14:25:25 <Chuck> q+
14:25:31 <Chuck> ack Ch
14:29:26 <jeanne> q+ to suggest a Method for the accessiiblity stack
14:30:22 <jeanne> ack jeann
14:30:22 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to suggest a Method for the accessiiblity stack
14:39:58 <Chuck> q+
14:40:17 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
14:43:03 <kirkwood> should how to resolve the error be part of the notification?
14:43:37 <kirkwood> +q
14:43:51 <Lauriat> ack kirkwood
14:45:52 <Chuck> q+
14:46:55 <Chuck> ack Ch
14:48:47 <Rachael> q+
14:49:50 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:50:55 <kirkwood> +1
14:53:46 <Chuck> "It's hopeless, give up today, try again tomorrow"
14:53:51 <Rachael> When creating outcomes, there is an ongoing question about when to break apart outcomes and when to combine related requirements.  The advantage of breaking outcomes apart is that separate outcomes raise awareness of needs and ensure critical parts are not hidden at lower levels of documentation. The disadvantage of creating separate outcomes is the sheer number of resulting outcomes which may feel overwhelming.  Groups should remain aware
14:53:51 <Rachael> of this tension and document the rational for breaking outcomes apart.
14:54:45 <Chuck> +1 to Rachael's summary.
14:55:16 <Lauriat> Thank you! Copied in.
14:55:21 <Chuck> q+
14:55:33 <Lauriat> ack Chuck
14:57:04 <Rachael> q+
14:57:15 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
14:58:11 <Chuck> q+
14:58:13 <Chuck> ack Ch
14:59:01 <Rachael> we are exploring rating scales so this may be a good exemplar
15:00:16 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/31-silver-minutes.html maryjom
15:05:19 <jeanne> s/working draft?//