12:02:01 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:02:05 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-irc 12:02:11 cris_ has joined #wot 12:02:14 ktoumura has joined #wot 12:02:32 meeting: 8th WoT WG Charter Meeting - Day 2 12:02:43 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Kunihiko_Toumura 12:03:10 Mizushima_ has joined #wot 12:03:55 mjk has joined #wot 12:06:24 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_Koster, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:06:57 Ege has joined #wot 12:07:58 topic: minutes review 12:08:16 scribenick: mjk 12:08:36 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:08:41 zakim, who is here? 12:08:41 Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Kunihiko_Toumura, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_Koster, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Daniel_Peintner 12:08:44 On IRC I see Ege, mjk, Mizushima_, ktoumura, cris_, RRSAgent, Zakim, ryuichi_, McCool, kaz, benfrancis, w3c_modbot, Mike5Matrix, sdd, tallship, vianka, cris, sentinel1975, rzr, 12:08:44 ... Danrancan, asocrt, Github, KevinBush, hadleybeeman, bigbluehat 12:08:55 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:09:49 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 12:10:02 mm: any objections to the minutes? 12:10:09 dape has joined #wot 12:10:14 ... no objections, publish 12:10:21 topic: quick updates 12:10:34 q+ 12:10:41 q+ Ege 12:10:42 mm: dev meeting today in the second half of TD slot 12:10:52 ack e 12:11:56 ack k 12:11:59 ege: using the TD webex but a different irc 12:12:13 q+ 12:13:18 mm: please send a reminder with the logistics 12:13:58 ...to the wg and ig mailing lists 12:14:08 subtopic: architecture 12:14:35 action: Ege to send out the Dev Meeting logistics information including the WebEx coordinate to the member-wot-wg and member-wot-ig 12:15:26 mm: there is an architecture presentation to review, will send out a link 12:15:27 q+ 12:16:01 ... send a request to Ege for any comments 12:16:19 kaz: we need to set up a meeting to review the feedback 12:16:47 s/feedback/feedback. Also should specify some specific deadline based on the event day./ 12:17:21 mm: we could review it on April 5th, but should allow more time 12:17:31 q+ 12:17:36 ack k 12:17:48 ... is April 12th OK? 12:18:24 ack e 12:18:43 ege: can't attend discovery review if it's shifted to the 19th 12:18:43 rrsagent, make log public 12:18:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:18:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:19:29 proposal: defer Arch Dev meeting to April 12 (second hour of TD slot) and Discovery to April 17 (Discovery call slot). 12:19:40 q+ 12:20:18 proposal: defer Arch Dev meeting to April 12 (second hour of TD slot) 12:20:31 ack k 12:20:36 kaz: this could be tentative because we don't know about Lagally availability 12:20:38 resolution: defer Arch Dev meeting to April 12 (second hour of TD slot) 12:21:19 proposal: defer Discovery Dev Meeting to April 17 (Discovery call slot). 12:21:24 s/availability/availability. So at least the date of the Arch Dev meeting is subject to change./ 12:21:36 resolution: defer Discovery Dev meeting to April 17 (Discovery call slot). 12:21:52 subtopic: testfest 12:22:05 mm: scheduled for next week, focus on profiles 12:22:10 chair: McCool 12:22:14 regrets+ Lagally 12:22:16 ... maybe we aren't ready for profiles 12:22:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:22:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:22:39 q+ 12:22:52 ... maybe we could work on all deliverables, is there any objection? 12:23:27 kaz: what do we need to do? 12:23:46 mm: we could resolve the at-risk items 12:24:39 kaz: we need to clarify which testfest is used for what purpose 12:24:52 mm: we can discuss more in the testing call 12:25:04 s/purpose/purpose. Also who to provide which data, etc./ 12:25:24 topic: charter 12:25:49 mm: would like to get to a final draft today, and resolve to proceed to review 12:25:55 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#29_March_2023 12:26:23 ... the charter requires all resolutions to be tentative and allows a week to accept/reject 12:26:27 i|would like|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Day_2_-_Mar_29 Agenda for the WoT WG Charter discussion| 12:26:39 q+ 12:26:46 ... so we can resolve today and finalize on April 5th 12:27:02 ack k 12:27:14 mm: leaves 6 weeks to May 17 12:27:20 dezell has joined #wot 12:27:29 ... then 4 weeks to June 14th 12:27:31 present+ Ege_Korkan 12:27:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:27:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:27:56 ...then only 2 more calls until July 1st 12:28:10 present+ David_Ezell 12:28:15 s/subtopic: architecture// 12:28:24 mm: today we have PRs and issues to cover 12:28:25 i/there is an arch/subtopic: architecture/ 12:28:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:28:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:29:23 mm: PR 103, any objections to merge? 12:29:40 ... merged 12:29:51 i|PR 103|subtopic: PR 103| 12:29:56 mm: PR #104, any objections? 12:30:00 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/104 : Wording: Time series instead of streams 12:30:11 ...any objections? 12:30:14 i|PR 103|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/103 PR 103 - Avoid use of "protocol binding" in charter| 12:30:15 ... merged 12:30:27 i|PR #104|subtopic: PR 104| 12:30:28 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/104 : Wording: Time series instead of streams 12:30:39 ...PR #105, any objections? 12:30:42 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/105 : proposal of IG scopes as pull request 12:30:56 i|PR #104|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/104 PR 104 - Say "prescriptive when appropriate" in Mission| 12:30:57 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/104 : Wording: Time series instead of streams 12:31:00 ... merged 12:31:31 subtopic: PR 106 12:31:38 mm: PR #106, updates the starting and ending date to July 1st 12:31:40 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/106 : Status update on proposal for type system 12:31:49 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/106 R 106 - Update charter start and end dates| 12:31:51 q+ 12:32:27 ack k 12:32:37 kaz: this is tentative 12:32:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:32:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:32:47 mm: no objections, merged 12:33:12 subtopic: PR #107, update the timeline 12:33:16 s/tentative/tentative, and there are still notes saying "ESTIMATED", "Start date + 2 years", etc./ 12:33:26 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/107 : Update wot-ucr.xml 12:33:36 mm: changed the timeline to quarters for deliverable dates 12:34:10 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/107 : Update wot-ucr.xml|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/107 PR 107 - Update timeline| 12:34:54 present+ David_Ezell 12:34:55 q? 12:34:56 q+ 12:35:15 ack k 12:35:22 kaz: we would like all of the editors to review these dates 12:35:36 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/107/5c60eeb...b0e15c7.html diff including the proposed timeline 12:35:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:35:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:36:05 mm: any objections to merging? 12:36:26 q+ 12:36:43 ack k 12:37:03 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:37:11 ... no objections, merged 12:37:28 subtopic: PR #108, editorial 12:37:28 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/108 : Update wot-ucr.xml 12:37:33 ... any objections? 12:37:45 ... no objections, merged 12:38:02 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/108 : Update wot-ucr.xml|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/108 PR 108 - remove dangling to remove undesired space| 12:38:04 q+ 12:38:11 q+ 12:38:12 subtopic: PR # 109, webagents CG collaboration 12:38:43 sebastian has joined #wot 12:38:56 ... add webagents CG to the list of collaborators 12:39:49 kaz: we don't need to add all related groups to the list to collaborate 12:40:15 i|add weba|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/109 PR 109 - Add webagents CG to collaboration| 12:40:15 ege: we could move it to the related groups list 12:40:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:40:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:40:40 q+ 12:40:43 ack k 12:40:44 ack e 12:40:45 q+ 12:41:42 ack k 12:41:44 ege: the goal of the group is to standardize proactive web content 12:42:12 mm: any objections to merging the PR 12:42:19 subtopic: PR 110 12:42:22 ... no objections, merging 12:42:28 s/subtopic: PR 110// 12:42:30 subtopic: PR 110 12:42:52 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/110 PR 110 - Update Proposed Co-Chairs 12:43:08 q+ 12:43:36 mm: subtopic: Michael Koster candidate for WG chair role 12:44:17 ack k 12:44:22 mm: we need to keep the WG and TF chair candidacy separate 12:44:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:44:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:45:07 s/WG and TF chair/WG Chair and TF Leader/ 12:45:07 mm: there will be a week for anyone to object 12:45:07 q+ 12:45:07 mm: no objections, merged 12:45:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:45:14 q? 12:45:14 q+ 12:45:14 q+ 12:45:53 ack e 12:45:53 kaz: W3M makes the decision, so we will have them review 12:45:54 ack k 12:45:55 mm: subtopic: PR 111 12:46:07 s/mm: su/su/ 12:46:11 ... cleanup extra markup 12:46:42 matsuda has joined #wot 12:46:53 seb: agree that it makes sense to have 3 chairs because of the many workstreams we have 12:47:03 i|cleanup extra|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/111 PR 111 - Cleanup To Do Notes and Markup| 12:47:08 q+ 12:47:19 @@@ Sebastian's words to be moved later 12:47:29 ... chairs can focus on specific task force workstreams 12:47:44 kaz: will talk with W3M 12:47:59 mm: no objections to merging PR #111 12:48:00 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/111 : Update wot-ucr.xml 12:48:04 ...merged 12:48:27 topic: Issues 12:48:45 subtopic: issue #14 12:48:46 https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/14 : toy example comment to show PR 12:49:01 mm: any objection to closing? 12:49:08 ... no objections, closed 12:49:20 subtopic: draft resolution for charter 12:49:26 q+ 12:50:17 s/closing/remove the label on Charter/ 12:50:27 s/closing/re-labeling 12:50:28 s/closed/removed there Charter label/ 12:51:10 proposal: Proceed with W3M and wide review of the draft WoT WG charter at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/wot-wg-2023-draft.html (this is a "tentative" resolution and will become effective on April 5, leaving one week for review). 12:51:11 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/14 : toy example comment to show PR|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/14 Issue 14 - Confusing use of the term "protocol binding"| 12:51:16 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:51:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:51:32 +1 12:51:51 mm: any objections to the proposed tentative resolution? 12:52:13 mm: call the question, any objections? 12:52:14 q+ 12:52:25 ack s 12:52:36 ack k 12:52:56 kaz: this is a call for the resolution to be adopted Wednesday, March 5th 12:53:06 s/March/April/ 12:53:13 ;) 12:53:18 proposal: Proceed with W3M and wide review of the draft WoT WG charter at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/w3m-review-draft/wot-wg-2023-draft.html (this is a "tentative" resolution and will become effective on April 5, leaving one week for review). 12:53:20 s/;)// 12:53:46 mm: any objections to the proposed resolution? 12:54:02 resolution: Proceed with W3M and wide review of the draft WoT WG charter at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/w3m-review-draft/wot-wg-2023-draft.html (this is a "tentative" resolution and will become effective on April 5, leaving one week for review). 12:54:21 -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-wg-2023-draft.html fyi, rendered version URL 12:54:23 ... no objections 12:54:35 topic: AOB 12:54:38 topic: remaining items 12:54:47 s/topic: AOB// 12:54:51 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:54:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:55:49 mm: Social impact questionnaire 12:55:59 mm: any updates on OPC-UA? 12:56:03 q+ 12:56:21 seb: invited to participate in an OPC podcast and talk about WoT 12:57:20 mm: we need to have a strategy discussion about adoptability and adoption 12:57:58 kaz: we should have a W3M representative to participate in the discussion 12:58:17 mm: AOB? 12:58:51 ... thank you for all the work on the charter, now we have a lot of meeting minutes to review 12:59:23 ... everyone please review these minutes off-line so we can have a single resolution to adopt them 12:59:57 ... can Kaz post a list of the minutes for review? 13:00:22 kaz: there are links already in the Charter README 13:00:24 https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts 13:01:38 mm: adjourning the meeting, testing call in 10 minutes 13:01:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:02:27 [testing call 10 mins past the hour] 13:02:30 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html kaz 14:01:36 Mizushima_ has left #wot 15:14:12 Zakim has left #wot 15:25:26 dape has joined #wot 15:25:32 q+ 15:31:24 q- 15:31:26 dape has left #wot