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11:02:06 <kaz> meeting: 8th WoT Charter Meeting - Day 1
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11:02:56 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Jan_Romann, Luca_Barbato
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11:07:52 <luca_barbato> scribenick: luca_barbato
11:08:13 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aopen+label%3A%22WG+New+Charter+Plans+2023%22+type%3Aissue
11:08:27 <kaz> regrets+ Lagally
11:08:33 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+label%3A%22WG+New+Charter+Plans+2023%22+type%3Apr
11:08:33 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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11:08:45 <kaz> q+
11:09:09 <luca_barbato> topic: PR
11:09:18 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda_Session_8.2C_Day_1_-_Mar_27
11:10:14 <kaz> i/Aissue/topic: Resources/
11:12:40 <luca_barbato> subtopic: PR 87
11:12:43 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/87
11:13:05 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/87|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/87 PR 87 - Update wot-wg-2023-draft.html - Revised Introduction|
11:13:15 <luca_barbato> mc: Some discussions updated, Ben has a small comment
11:13:49 <kaz> regrets+ Ben
11:14:12 <luca_barbato> ... discussion on naming: model, abstraction, description
11:15:42 <luca_barbato> .. the comment is updated with how we came up with description from the original model
11:20:24 <luca_barbato> mc: The suggestion made by Ben can be addressed in a new PR
11:20:29 <cris_> +1
11:21:07 <luca_barbato> .. and merge 87 as-is
11:21:51 <Ege> q+
11:22:18 <kaz> ack k
11:22:24 <luca_barbato> kaz: We should update the motivation section
11:22:33 <luca_barbato> mc: Let's add an issue about it
11:22:59 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/100
11:23:04 <kaz> s/motivation section/motivation section with, e.g., counter fragmentation and wider industry adoption./
11:23:57 <luca_barbato> mc: <read the initial charter statement>
11:25:26 <kaz> q?
11:25:42 <kaz> q+
11:26:32 <luca_barbato> ege: What are our decision regarding mentioning the Interest Group
11:26:49 <luca_barbato> mc: Let's discuss in a separate PR
11:27:06 <luca_barbato> mc: Consensus on merging the PR as-is?
11:27:18 <luca_barbato> mc: PR merged.
11:29:11 <luca_barbato> mc: Let's open an issue regarding Ben's comment
11:30:51 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/66
11:31:18 <kaz> i|66|subtopic: PR 66|
11:31:53 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/66|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/66 PR 66 - Move IG mention to collaboration section|
11:32:07 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/66/04cdada...f0c00d0.html diff
11:32:25 <luca_barbato> mc: Let's clean up the PR 66 conflict and move the sections
11:32:56 <kaz> q?
11:33:00 <kaz> ack e
11:33:09 <luca_barbato> .. the PR needs a rebase
11:33:36 <luca_barbato> kaz: Remove the sentence from the Mission statement is fine
11:34:13 <luca_barbato> .. it would be better to clarify the relationship between WG, IG, and community groups
11:34:50 <luca_barbato> mc: The current pr is a step in the right direction we could add another paragraph about it in another PR.
11:35:33 <kaz> q?
11:35:35 <kaz> ack k
11:35:49 <luca_barbato> .. ML wants to clarify the process that goes from the requirements to the actual specification
11:36:06 <luca_barbato> mc: Does it belong to the Mission statement?
11:37:28 <kaz> s/Remove the sentence from the Mission statement is fine/Removing the sentence about the WoT IG from the Mission statement is fine. Also keeping the text about the WoT IG within the Motivation section is fine./
11:37:50 <kaz> s/it would be better/On the other hand, it would be better/
11:37:57 <kaz> s/between/among/
11:38:24 <luca_barbato> mc: <fixing the PR 66 patch conflicts>
11:39:34 <kaz> s/and community groups/WoT CG and WoT-JP CG. A brief sentence about that can be put right below the section title of "5.1 WoT-related  W3C Groups"./
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11:45:14 <luca_barbato> mc: Consensus on the edit?
11:48:41 <kaz> merged
11:48:45 <kaz> subtopic: PR 99
11:48:57 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/99 PR 99 - Addressing feedback from Arch call on March 23
11:49:06 <cris_> +1 for Ben's comment
11:49:36 <luca_barbato> mc: One proposal mentions specific implementation, better not have it
11:49:43 <kaz> q+
11:50:40 <luca_barbato> kaz: I agree with removing the sentence
11:52:37 <luca_barbato> mc: Consensus on not merging it?
11:54:18 <kaz> ack k
11:54:27 <luca_barbato> mc: Closed with a comment on the consensus
11:55:18 <luca_barbato> mc: We can add a sentence that emphasize the work on the profile later
11:55:21 <kaz> s/I agree with removing the sentence/It's odd to have this sentence here because it's another scope list rather than a summary of the following list./
11:55:37 <luca_barbato> topic: Issues
11:55:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:55:58 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Issue 14
11:56:23 <Ege> q+
11:56:52 <luca_barbato> ege: There are two alternative PR linked to the issue
11:57:11 <luca_barbato> mc: Does it impact the charter or the work-items?
11:57:43 <kaz> i|There are|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/14 Issue 14 - Confusing use of the term "protocol binding"|
11:57:44 <kaz> q+
11:57:46 <kaz> ack e
11:57:46 <luca_barbato> ege: I think it does not impact the charter
11:59:40 <luca_barbato> mc: Doublecheck the charter document for mentions of protocol bindings
12:00:37 <kaz> q?
12:01:33 <luca_barbato> mc: Better remove the link to the wot-binding-templates
12:02:39 <kaz> ack k
12:03:02 <kaz> q+
12:03:13 <luca_barbato> mc: The protocol binding is mentioned in the Charter, some cleanup is needed
12:03:29 <luca_barbato> mc: Let's open a PR about it
12:04:08 <luca_barbato> kaz: We do not need to mention binding-templates as requirement here, we need to think about the generic use-case to requirements process.
12:04:25 <luca_barbato> mc: We could also avoid mentioning the architecture document
12:04:37 <kaz> s/we need to think/we should rather think/
12:05:06 <kaz> s/process/process, not within this Charter but during the next Charter period work./
12:05:33 <kaz> q?
12:05:36 <kaz> ack k
12:06:25 <luca_barbato> mc: Let's open a new PR to check and fix all the mentions to protocol binding
12:07:18 <luca_barbato> mc: which kind of bindings do we have?
12:07:47 <luca_barbato> ege: we have two way to express protocols, one via protocol-bindings and one via protocols
12:08:21 <luca_barbato> s/protocols/profiles/
12:08:34 <kaz> i|3Aissue|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2023Mar/0019.html McCool's message on using both the Scripting slot and the Security slot for the Charter discussion on Monday, March 27|
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12:09:00 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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12:09:09 <cris_> q+
12:09:25 <luca_barbato> q+
12:09:49 <kaz> q+
12:09:59 <kaz> ack cr
12:11:25 <Ege> q+
12:11:34 <cris_> q+
12:11:52 <luca_barbato> q-
12:14:11 <kaz> ack k
12:14:30 <cris_> I think is the best we can do, given current constraints
12:14:32 <cris_> ack cris
12:14:42 <kaz> s/March 27/March 27 (Member-only)/
12:14:47 <kaz> ack e
12:15:28 <kaz> scribenick: cris_
12:15:54 <cris_> ege: note  that title contains protocols too
12:16:23 <cris_> mc: title is fine cause we are mentioning that is it is out of scope
12:16:37 <cris_> ege: ok it is fine
12:16:45 <kaz> q+
12:17:34 <kaz> ack k
12:18:21 <cris_> mc: changing Matter protocol binding to simply Matter binding
12:18:28 <kaz> q+
12:18:40 <kaz> ack k
12:19:44 <kaz> q+
12:20:06 <cris_> mc: was Binding Templates ok as term?
12:20:16 <cris_> cris: it was controversial too
12:30:31 <cris_> mc: any strong objection to merge the changes directly?
12:30:45 <cris_> ... got some technical problems
12:30:52 <cris_> ... it doesn't work
12:31:07 <cris_> ... I'll save them in a local file meanwhile
12:31:27 <kaz> q?
12:31:28 <kaz> ack k
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12:38:41 <cris_> mc: it seems github problem
12:38:47 <cris_> ... I'll create a PR later
12:39:08 <cris_> s/github/a github/
12:39:28 <cris_> s/PR/PR with the edits that we just did/
12:40:10 <cris_> ... we agreed to remove protocol bindings and use lower case letters
12:41:05 <cris_> mc: is PR 98 redundant?
12:41:19 <kaz> s/PR/Issue/
12:41:23 <cris_> kaz: we can add it to mission statement or motivation
12:41:39 <cris_> mc: maybe motivation is better (is less controversial)
12:41:50 <cris_> kaz: agreed
12:42:30 <cris_> mc: ok taking the statement and adding it to the charter file
12:49:08 <cris_> <mc edits the motivation and background section>
12:49:16 <cris_> mc: how does it look like?
12:49:33 <Ege> q`
12:49:38 <Ege> q+
12:49:50 <kaz> s|q`||
12:50:31 <cris_> ege: do we define SDO somewhere?
12:50:37 <cris_> mc: we can say organization
12:50:42 <kaz> q+
12:50:45 <kaz> ack e
12:50:47 <kaz> ack k
12:51:04 <kaz> q+
12:51:10 <kaz> ack k
12:51:15 <cris_> kaz: that's fine
12:51:22 <cris_> mc: creating the PR
12:52:12 <cris_> ... sadly Github has still troubles, saving it for later
12:52:16 <kaz> [[
12:52:25 <McCool_>       <p>       Currently the IoT is highly fragmented with a multitude of different standards and ecosystems which often do       not easily interoperate.       This is a concern as much of the value of the IoT can only be obtained when devices and services from different vendors       can be used together.       The standards developed by WoT are intended to address this issue by defining additional building blocks to allow systems from        di[CUT]
12:52:27 <kaz> ]]
12:57:20 <cris_> mc: adding a extra sentence in the mission statement. Industry support is important and we should mention it
12:57:40 <kaz> s/a ex/an ex/
12:58:46 <cris_> ... would it be ok? I'm not mentioning profile and discovery by name.
12:58:56 <cris_> ege: sounds good to me
12:59:01 <cris_> +1
12:59:05 <kaz> s/and dis/or dis/
12:59:31 <cris_> mc: as previous we can't create a PR and I'm coping the proposed text
13:00:36 <cris_> ... I think we are in a good shape (when the proposals will be merged
13:00:44 <cris_> ... then we just need to update the schedule
13:01:40 <cris_> [adjourned]
13:02:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:01:14 <kaz> chair: McCool
14:01:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:08:52 <JKRhb> scribenick: JKRhb
14:09:04 <JKRhb> Topic: Minutes Review
14:09:19 <JKRhb> mm: Closed issues last times
14:09:34 <JKRhb> ... second topic is labelled is "AOB" but we went through some issues
14:09:55 <JKRhb> ... added an informative label for things that don't cause normative changes
14:10:01 <JKRhb> ... any changes to the minutes?
14:10:15 <JKRhb> ... hearing no objections, let's publish these
14:10:21 <JKRhb> topic: PRs
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