IRC log of silver on 2023-03-24

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Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
13:49:55 [jeanne]
agenda?
13:50:07 [jeanne]
zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
13:50:34 [jeanne]
agenda+ highlights of F2F, CSUN, and Axe-Con
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agenda+ Create a list of Methods for Error Notification
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Present+
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present+
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present+
14:03:58 [jeanne]
present+
14:04:11 [jeanne]
scribe+ kirkwood
14:04:30 [jeanne]
topic: Next week in AG
14:04:34 [kirkwood]
present+
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Jeanne: next week AG working group focus on 2.2
14:04:56 [jeanne]
zakim, take up next
14:04:56 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- highlights of F2F, CSUN, and Axe-Con -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:05:41 [kirkwood]
… any noteworthy discussions about last weeks Axe-con, CSUN etc?
14:05:52 [kirkwood]
(none)
14:06:15 [kirkwood]
Jeanne: excellent presentations at Axe con. particular if at CSUN register at Ae con for free
14:06:23 [kirkwood]
… in particular this one:
14:06:46 [jeanne]
Jutta Treveranus talk at Axe-Con https://www.deque.com/axe-con/sessions/preparing-accessibility-for-the-future-and-the-present/
14:07:23 [kirkwood]
… highly recommend speaks about impact of WCAG 2.2 in powerful way. long term impact of WCAG 2.2
14:08:03 [kirkwood]
… very inspiring most about AI and people with disabilities. highly recommnend it
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… refences for COGA as well
14:10:55 [kirkwood]
Makota: went to CSUN meet and was fruitful feel. WCAG 3 postion concis and comprhensive
14:11:17 [kirkwood]
s/Makota/Mokoto
14:12:31 [kirkwood]
Mokoto: attended sessions at CSUN. number of sessions regarding web accessibility seems to be decreasing maybe because of Axe con because of timing
14:12:55 [kirkwood]
… good community of web accessibility at CSUN seems to be changing
14:13:12 [kirkwood]
… attendees seem to be changing
14:13:27 [kirkwood]
… not bad but getting smaller i felt
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Makoto: not really a COVID any more. almost no one wearing masks, big differnce
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Jeanne: stopped going to CSUN because of behavior to PWD
14:16:37 [kirkwood]
… CSUN is important to get info out to community, so have mixed feelings about scale of CSUN reducing
14:17:07 [kirkwood]
Jenne: thoughts about the face to face?
14:17:19 [jeanne]
zakim, take up next
14:17:20 [Zakim]
agendum 2 -- Create a list of Methods for Error Notification -- taken up [from jeanne]
14:17:36 [jeanne]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jtZaUzLi-jgmGdAypRUeJPzVz_ZUpMO0wdOrORiuO7w/
14:17:38 [kirkwood]
Jeanne: coming towards end of error notifications
14:17:48 [jeanne]
Error Notifications -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jtZaUzLi-jgmGdAypRUeJPzVz_ZUpMO0wdOrORiuO7w/edit#
14:17:53 [kirkwood]
… error notifications document
14:18:32 [kirkwood]
Jeanne: we have inherited so much from subgroups, placehlder done, user need outcomes section done
14:18:50 [kirkwood]
… 2 weeks now , did tests and tests for outcomes sketchy for exploratory
14:18:55 [kirkwood]
… next is methods
14:19:16 [kirkwood]
… list of methods not necessarily whats in each method
14:19:36 [kirkwood]
…. from the test section:
14:19:38 [jeanne]
Test Section of Error Notificiation -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jtZaUzLi-jgmGdAypRUeJPzVz_ZUpMO0wdOrORiuO7w/edit#heading=h.dscepopsvke9
14:19:55 [kirkwood]
… we would like to create the list of methods
14:20:18 [kirkwood]
… to recap we have 5 potential outcomes 4 built out and 5th needs research
14:20:29 [kirkwood]
… first notifications are provided
14:20:57 [kirkwood]
… (going through document about error notification)
14:22:08 [Rachael]
always?
14:22:41 [Lauriat]
q+ to propose that an app should notify of error only when unable to complete something without user intervention/correction
14:23:31 [Rachael]
q+ to argue that an error should be given when the system fails even if the user can't fix it
14:24:35 [Lauriat]
ack me
14:24:35 [Zakim]
Lauriat, you wanted to propose that an app should notify of error only when unable to complete something without user intervention/correction
14:24:45 [Lauriat]
ack Rachael
14:24:45 [Zakim]
Rachael, you wanted to argue that an error should be given when the system fails even if the user can't fix it
14:24:56 [Lauriat]
+1 to that case as well
14:26:12 [kirkwood]
Rachael: even if user can’t do something to fix error they should be notified
14:26:27 [Rachael]
Might it be easier to define when errors don't need to be presented?
14:26:37 [kirkwood]
Shawn: including server error please try again in half an hour
14:28:11 [Lauriat]
q+ to ask about semantics
14:29:27 [Lauriat]
ack me
14:29:27 [Zakim]
Lauriat, you wanted to ask about semantics
14:36:36 [maryjom]
present+
14:36:48 [Rachael]
+1 to consistent visual and programatic location.
14:37:05 [Rachael]
q+
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q-
14:37:47 [Rachael]
Maybe consistent relative to the view, process or trigger
14:58:07 [jeanne]
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chair: jeanne, Shawn
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