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13:04:56 <kaz> meeting: WoT Testing/Plugfest
13:10:36 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_22.03.2023
13:10:41 <kaz> chair: Ege
13:10:46 <kaz> regrets+ McCool
13:11:12 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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13:11:59 <cris__> topic: minutes
13:12:19 <cris__> ege: there is a typo in the second section
13:12:35 <cris__> scribenick: cris__
13:12:48 <cris__> ege: then the initials are not correct
13:12:56 <cris__> ... we will review PRs also today
13:13:14 <cris__> ... I had an action item but I forgot
13:13:23 <cris__> ... we defined the date for dev meeting
13:14:05 <cris__> ... then we discussed about slides (which I did)
13:14:12 <cris__> ... but the minutes look short
13:14:20 <cris__> kaz: it was a short meeting
13:14:40 <cris__> ege: any problems?
13:14:41 <cris__> ... ok
13:14:48 <cris__> ... minutes accepted
13:14:53 <cris__> topic: Quick updates
13:14:56 <kaz> i|there is a|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-pf-minutes.html Mar-15|
13:14:58 <cris__> ege: any updates?
13:15:08 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:15:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minute
13:15:39 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:15:39 <cris__> topic: Pull requests
13:15:39 <cris__> subtopic: PR 536
13:16:03 <cris__> ege: there was a problem with the CI script
13:16:07 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/536
13:16:09 <kaz> s/rrsagent, draft minute/
13:16:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:16:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:16:19 <cris__> ... but the PR should fix it
13:16:22 <cris__> ... I like the rendering
13:16:29 <cris__> cris: +1
13:16:42 <cris__> ege: we should use it for arch and td as well
13:17:01 <cris__> ... we can ask Toumura-san
13:17:21 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/536|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/536 PR 536 - Use Job summary instead of PR Comment for discovery-coverage-report|
13:17:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:17:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:17:59 <cris__> ege: ok let's merge this PR
13:18:05 <kaz> q+
13:18:36 <cris__> kaz: is there any additional configuration needed from the support team?
13:18:43 <cris__> ege: no it is happening inside github
13:18:59 <cris__> kaz: do we want to apply this configuration to other repositories?
13:19:09 <cris__> ege: I think is just for testing
13:19:22 <cris__> ... it would be nice to have
13:19:31 <cris__> kaz: we can mention this change in the main call
13:19:39 <cris__> ... and ask what task force leaders
13:19:54 <cris__> ege: it would be nice to have it before dev test
13:20:17 <cris__> kaz: it would be nicer to mention this in the main call
13:20:45 <cris__> ege: just to clarify this change will only focus on testing repository
13:21:25 <cris__> subtopic: PR 533
13:21:29 <cris__> ege: seems a draft
13:21:42 <cris__> ... not really relevant anymore after presentation
13:22:33 <cris__> ... propose closing
13:22:36 <cris__> ... any comments?
13:22:52 <cris__> topic: issues
13:22:59 <cris__> ege: no new issues
13:23:08 <cris__> topic: Developer meeting
13:23:17 <cris__> ege: we started writing the readme
13:23:38 <cris__> ... it would be better to name the meeting to At-Risk Assertion Resolution Meeting
13:23:51 <cris__> ... developer meeting feels more open to newcomers
13:23:56 <cris__> ... renaming
13:24:15 <cris__> ... main work to do is to update the readme
13:24:24 <cris__> ... we will try to invite CG people too
13:24:44 <cris__> <Ege shows slides about TD assertions>
13:24:59 <cris__> ege: they are review by McCool
13:25:24 <cris__> ... there is also a deck for Architecture but they are not reviewed by McCool
13:25:28 <kaz> i/PR 533/kaz: If everybody is reading each Issue and PR of the wot-testing repository in detail, we don't need to explain this. However, it's not the case, so it would be nicer to mention this mechanism to everybody./
13:25:30 <kaz> q+
13:26:45 <cris__> kaz: it's ok to think TD and Architecture as seperated collections. but we need more explaination about the goal of the event and the intentions of the assertion authoer.
13:26:54 <cris__> s/authoer/author/
13:27:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:27:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:27:13 <cris__> ege: some of this aspects are already done
13:27:24 <cris__> ... but we can do a initial introduction to both slides
13:27:45 <cris__> kaz: we need to mention the w3c process required us to do that
13:30:00 <cris__> ege: I'll add it
13:30:48 <cris__> ege: it would be nice to have a concrete deadline
13:31:01 <cris__> ... which are the new plan?
13:31:56 <cris__> kaz: it is up to us, if we want to move ahead even if not all the features are resolved
13:32:33 <cris__> ... we want to update the text after the transition we have to start all over again
13:33:53 <cris__> ... basically all depends with the implementation status.
13:34:17 <kaz> s/do that/do that. The main purpose is not checking if the implementations are validly implemented, but if the specification is implementable. Also to see the interoperability of the spec./
13:35:14 <cris__> ege: I noticed a problem with the dealine set in the slides and the one noted in the charter wg-extension-plan
13:35:51 <cris__> kaz: everything should be done by the end of May
13:36:02 <cris__> ... we have still the option to remove the unimplemented features
13:36:44 <cris__> ... or to update the draft if we have correctly identified the at-risk features.
13:37:41 <cris__> ege: what is in the slides is correct?
13:37:47 <cris__> kaz: yes that is what I proposed
13:38:11 <cris__> ege: it just to provide a deadline
13:39:40 <cris__> kaz: but we need to take in consideration developers avaiability
13:40:11 <cris__> ... the goal should be clearly explained
13:41:28 <cris__> kaz: maybe it is better to use proposed deadline
13:41:29 <cris__> ege: ok
13:41:41 <kaz> s/use/say/
13:41:55 <kaz> s/proposed deadline/"proposed deadline"/
13:42:23 <cris__> <Ege shows slide structure>
13:43:47 <cris__> q+
13:43:59 <kaz> ack k
13:44:55 <cris__> ack cris__
13:45:07 <kaz> q+q+
13:45:17 <kaz> q-q-
13:45:36 <cris__> cris: resolution is a little bit misleading
13:45:49 <cris__> ege: what about takeways or developer guides
13:47:20 <cris__> kaz: In my understanding today we should work on the goals, intention and supplement additional information to the specification text
13:47:34 <cris__> ... Architecture is more difficult to understand
13:49:05 <cris__> ege: I agree with the suggested structure
13:49:12 <cris__> ... but I would add link to context
13:49:18 <cris__> kaz: link is right
13:49:24 <cris__> ... implementation report has already links
13:49:31 <cris__> ... we can use it
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13:52:11 <cris__> ege: I don't think I can update the slides in time with the suggestions
13:52:25 <cris__> kaz: we can use architecture call and td call
13:52:40 <cris__> ... we could clarify methods and goals
13:52:54 <cris__> ege: is somebody willing to help ?
13:53:05 <cris__> kaz: I not asking you directly
13:53:46 <cris__> ege: lot of stuff to do
13:54:46 <cris__> kaz: we can share the workload between each other
13:55:18 <cris__> q+
13:55:28 <kaz> q- q+
13:56:11 <cris__> kaz: maybe it is better to not use slides
13:56:21 <cris__> ...but better the report itself
13:57:42 <cris__> ... we can consolidate existing text
13:58:35 <cris__> ege: I don't have really time to finish up
13:59:58 <cris__> kaz: not asking to refactor the whole google slideset
14:00:16 <cris__> ... but rather how to share the editorial work
14:01:00 <cris__> kaz: what if people cannot work on the document?
14:01:13 <cris__> ege: everbody should do what he can
14:01:22 <Ege> ack q
14:01:54 <cris__> ack cris__
14:02:14 <cris__> [adjourned]
14:02:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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