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12:00:42 <kaz> meeting: 6th WoT WG Charter Meeting - Day 2
12:00:52 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Luca_Barbato
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12:04:10 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_McCool
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12:04:49 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/README.md minutes and scribes for the Charter meetings
12:05:15 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan, Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:05:17 <kaz> chair: McCool
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12:05:30 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
12:05:51 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:05:54 <sebastian> topic: minutes
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12:08:11 <sebastian> there was no main call on Feb 27
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12:09:39 <sebastian> Kaz: there was a call on Feb 22
12:10:01 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-minutes.html
12:10:40 <kaz> s/html/html Feb-22/
12:10:45 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:10:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:10:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:11:04 <sebastian> any objections?
12:11:12 <sebastian> no
12:11:37 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/03/08-wot-minutes.html
12:12:08 <kaz> s/html/html Mar-8/
12:12:33 <sebastian> MM: any objections
12:12:34 <sebastian> no
12:12:37 <kaz> s/there was no main call on Feb 27//
12:12:39 <sebastian> topic: Quick Updates
12:12:40 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:12:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:13:17 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:13:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:13:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:13:57 <sebastian> MM: be aweare of the time shift
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12:14:12 <sebastian> MM: next week there will be the Use Case call
12:14:40 <kaz> s/time shift/time shift due to the Daylight Saving Time in US./
12:14:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:14:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:14:49 <sebastian> MM: from March 20 we planed a PlugFest
12:15:09 <sebastian> ... however, seems not enough time for prepearations
12:15:42 <kaz> s/planed/are planning to have/
12:15:47 <kaz> s/PlugFest/Testfest/
12:16:30 <sebastian> <MM review the doodle poll https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/b6WOR77d >
12:16:40 <kaz> i/in US./in US. Note the next use cases call will not be used for Charter discussion./
12:16:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:16:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:17:00 <Ege> q+
12:17:17 <kaz> q+
12:17:25 <sebastian> MM: how about planing 2h testing on Thursday?
12:17:31 <kaz> ack e
12:17:37 <kaz> s/planing/planning/
12:17:46 <sebastian> ... seems ok for everyone
12:17:56 <cris_> q+
12:18:00 <sebastian> Ege: we can cancel Marketing call and use it for testing
12:18:13 <sebastian> q+
12:19:34 <sebastian> Kaz: are we ready for the TestFest?
12:19:36 <kaz> ack k
12:19:42 <sebastian> MM: I think so
12:19:49 <kaz> s/TestFest/TestFest next week/
12:20:04 <kaz> s/I think so/To be honest, don't think so.../
12:20:19 <kaz> kaz: in that case, should be postponed
12:20:27 <kaz> i/in that/scribenick: kaz/
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12:20:42 <kaz> mm: why don't we decide the time but look at another week?
12:20:51 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
12:20:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:21:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:21:21 <sebastian> ... we can postpone for 2 weeks
12:21:41 <sebastian> ack k
12:22:02 <McCool> proposal: Defer testfest by two weeks to week of April 3; have it on Tuesday at 10am Eastern; Wed at 9am Eastern (testing call); Thursday at 9am Eastern.
12:22:36 <sebastian> CA: would be benefical to postpone
12:23:18 <kaz> FYI, the current candidates on doodle are:
12:23:20 <kaz> [[
12:23:28 <kaz> Monday, 3/20 12:00 UTC (5:00 PDT, 9:00 ADT, 13:00 CET, 21:00 JST)
12:23:28 <kaz> Monday, 3/20 13:00 UTC (6:00 PDT, 10:00 ADT, 14:00 CET, 22:00 JST)
12:23:30 <kaz> Monday, 3/20 14:00 UTC (7:00 PDT, 11:00 ADT, 15:00 CET, 23:00 JST)
12:23:32 <kaz> Tuesday, 3/22 13:00 UTC (6:00 PDT, 10:00 ADT, 14:00 CET, 22:00 JST)
12:23:34 <kaz> Wednesday, 3/23 13:00 UTC (6:00 PDT, 10:00 ADT, 14:00 CET, 22:00 JST)
12:23:36 <kaz> Wednesday, 3/23 14:00 UTC (7:00 PDT, 11:00 ADT, 15:00 CET, 23:00 JST)
12:23:38 <kaz> ]]
12:23:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:23:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:24:14 <sebastian> SK: +1 postponing
12:24:23 <sebastian> ... we can also use the TD slot
12:24:44 <sebastian> ... but not perfect for people from Asia
12:25:03 <kaz> s/be aweare/be aware/
12:25:21 <McCool> resolution: Defer testfest by two weeks to week of April 3; have it on Tuesday at 10am Eastern; Wed at 9am Eastern (testing call); Thursday at 9am Eastern.
12:26:21 <sebastian> subtopic: Developer Meeting
12:26:27 <kaz> s|Tuesday, 3/22|Wednesday, 3/22|
12:26:33 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2023.03.DevMtg
12:26:55 <kaz> s|Wednesday, 3/23|Thursday, 3/23|
12:26:56 <kaz> s|Wednesday, 3/23|Thursday, 3/23|
12:26:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:27:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:27:07 <sebastian> MM: does it make sense to also postpone?
12:27:35 <sebastian> EK: we will have a conflict with the Hannover Fair
12:27:37 <kaz> q+
12:27:40 <sebastian> ack c
12:27:42 <sebastian> ack s
12:28:53 <sebastian> MM: Lets continue this discussion during TestFest call later.
12:29:57 <sebastian> topic: WG Charter
12:30:16 <kaz> i/Lets/Let's/
12:30:46 <kaz> i/Let's/kaz: What about the JP Meeting? I think that should be also postponed./
12:30:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:30:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:31:07 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/897
12:31:22 <sebastian> MM: worked on the Societal Impact Questionnaire
12:31:23 <kaz> s/Let's//
12:31:29 <kaz> s/Lets/Let's/
12:31:31 <sebastian> -> https://w3ctag.github.io/societal-impact-questionnaire/
12:31:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:31:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:32:11 <sebastian> please comment on this
12:32:11 <kaz> i/What about/scribenick: kaz/
12:32:11 <kaz> q?
12:32:11 <kaz> q-
12:32:11 <kaz> q+
12:32:11 <kaz> ack k
12:32:31 <kaz> i/continue/scribenick: sebastian/
12:32:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:32:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:32:42 <sebastian> subtopic: Charter for WoT 2.0
12:32:57 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:32:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:33:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:33:15 <sebastian> MM: we already spend to much time on the content. We should no 'overengineer'
12:33:22 <sebastian> s/no/not
12:34:04 <sebastian> s/to/too
12:34:31 <sebastian> MM: started to label the charter issues and PRs
12:35:02 <sebastian> ... such as "New Charter PLans 2023", "TD Discussion", "ProposeClosing" etc
12:35:40 <kaz> s/topic: WG Charter/topic: Societal Impact Questionnaire/
12:35:43 <sebastian> MM: some PRs improves the text such as in the introcuction and scope sections
12:36:02 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pulls
12:36:06 <kaz> s/subtopic: Charter for WoT 2.0/topic: WG Charter/
12:36:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:36:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:36:24 <sebastian> MM: also decided to keep Architecture normative for now
12:36:29 <McCool> q?
12:36:29 <kaz> s/already spend/already spent/
12:36:30 <sebastian> q+
12:37:04 <kaz> ack s
12:37:06 <kaz> q+
12:37:31 <kaz> sk: (also provides the policy on the discussion for the Charter)
12:37:53 <kaz> s/PLans/Plans/
12:38:03 <kaz> s/ProposeClosing/Propose Closing/
12:38:47 <kaz> ... the details can be discussed later
12:38:54 <kaz> i/also/scribenick: kaz/
12:39:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:39:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:39:36 <kaz> kaz: agree
12:39:50 <kaz> ... so let's identify which items to be included in the Charter, and which are not :)
12:39:51 <sebastian> SK: agree what MM said. We can also decide later about Architecture if REC or Note
12:40:09 <kaz> s/kaz: agree//
12:40:13 <kaz> s/... so let's identify which items to be included in the Charter, and which are not :)/
12:40:19 <kaz> kaz: agree
12:40:21 <sebastian> MM: yes. It is more easier to move from REC to Note then vice versa
12:40:22 <kaz> ... so let's identify which items to be included in the Charter, and which are not :)
12:40:34 <kaz> s/kaz: agree//
12:40:42 <kaz> i/so le/kaz: agree/
12:40:48 <sebastian> MM: I there is no objections I will close this PR?
12:40:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:40:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:41:22 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 45
12:41:29 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/84
12:41:45 <sebastian> s/PR/issue
12:41:50 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/45 Issue 45 - Do we keep Privacy and Accessibility Groups?
12:42:18 <sebastian> MM: no feedback from PING yet
12:42:38 <kaz> s/no feedback/got a feedback from APA but no feedback/
12:42:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:42:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:43:00 <kaz> q+
12:43:28 <sebastian> MM: I hope, it is ok to keep the text about PING and APA
12:43:45 <sebastian> no objection
12:44:02 <sebastian> <MM closed this issue>
12:44:37 <sebastian> subtopic: Issue 28
12:45:05 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/28 - Update Decision Policy
12:45:13 <kaz> i/I hope/kaz: we don't need to mention either of them unless we have specific work items, but I'm OK with keeping the current text./
12:45:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:45:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:45:47 <kaz> s/MM: I there is no objections I will close this issue?//
12:46:03 <kaz> s/agree what/agree to what/
12:46:13 <kaz> i/We can also/scribenick: sebastian/
12:46:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:46:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:46:40 <kaz> i/kaz: agree/scribenick: kaz/
12:46:54 <Ege> q+
12:46:59 <kaz> i/no feedback from PING/scribenick: sebastian/
12:47:00 <kaz> ack k
12:47:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:47:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:47:25 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/84||
12:47:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:47:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:47:46 <kaz> i/we don't need to m/scribenick: kaz/
12:47:59 <kaz> i/I hope/scribenick: sebastian/
12:48:00 <sebastian> <MM shows the new text in the charter about the decision policy>
12:48:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:48:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:48:26 <sebastian> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/91/a5cffe1...mmccool:994f371.html
12:48:47 <kaz> s/html/html preview/
12:48:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:48:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:49:30 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/28 - Update Decision Policy|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/28 Issue 28 - Update Decision Policy
12:50:00 <kaz> i|MM shows|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/91 related PR 91 - Add pre-announced CfC to decision process|
12:50:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:50:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:52:25 <McCool> q?
12:52:28 <kaz> q+
12:52:31 <kaz> ack e
12:52:32 <McCool> ack e
12:52:57 <kaz> ack k
12:53:21 <sebastian> Kaz: we have 2 chairs, the text should be in plural
12:53:31 <kaz> s/2 chairs/2 co-Chairs/
12:55:10 <kaz> s/the text should be in plural/so might make sense to say "Chairs" instead of "Chair"./
12:55:19 <sebastian> <MM does some fixes in the PR>
12:56:04 <McCool> q?
12:56:12 <sebastian> MM: any objection to merge this PR?
12:56:13 <sebastian> no
12:56:50 <kaz> merged
12:57:28 <Ege> q+
12:57:38 <kaz> topic: Remaining issues
12:57:43 <sebastian> subtopic: PR 14
12:57:58 <kaz> i|sub|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22WG+New+Charter+Plans+2023%22 ramaining issues|
12:58:00 <sebastian> MM: Im not sure if it still relevant?
12:58:20 <kaz> s/PR 14/Issue 14/
12:58:47 <sebastian> EK: still some open topics about naming, howerer is not a blocker
12:58:52 <kaz> i|not sure|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/14 Issue 14 - Confusing use of the term "protocol binding"|
12:59:06 <kaz> q+
12:59:09 <kaz> ack e
12:59:53 <sebastian> Kaz: we already added detailed work item, this is not releated to the charter
13:00:35 <kaz> s/detailed work item/"Detailed Work Items" label to this issue/
13:00:55 <sebastian> MM: continue charter discussion in tomorrow's Architecture call
13:02:04 <kaz> s/this is not releated to the charter/so this is not directly related to the Charter document itself. I think we should identify which remaining issues to be discussed for the Charter document. For that purpose, let's think about how to proceed with the discussion./
13:02:15 <sebastian> MM: we will have the Testing call in 10min
13:02:18 <sebastian> adjourn
13:02:28 <kaz> s/continue charter/Yes, let's continue the Charter discussion/
13:02:43 <kaz> s/adjourn/[adjourned]/
13:02:52 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:03:21 <kaz> s/Im not sure/I'm not sure/
13:03:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:04:09 <kaz> s/I think/On the other hand, I think/
13:04:10 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:04:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:56:20 <kaz> regrets+ Koster
13:56:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:56:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/15-wot-minutes.html kaz
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