17:05:20 RRSAgent has joined #coga 17:05:25 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/03/14-coga-irc 17:05:25 RRSAgent, make logs Public 17:05:56 Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 17:05:56 JohnRochford has joined #coga 17:05:57 chair: Julie 17:06:04 present+ 17:06:04 present+ 17:06:05 EA has joined #coga 17:06:05 present+ 17:06:11 Present+ 17:06:32 rrsagent, make minutes 17:06:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/14-coga-minutes.html jeanne 17:07:10 scribe+ jeanne 17:10:34 Topic: Update from AG meeting yesterday 17:10:48 Julie: How was the AG all-day meeting 17:14:01 jeanne: The meeting was pretty good. We did make progress, but not as much progress as we wanted. 17:17:24 Jan_ has joined #coga 17:17:36 ... we aren't going to change what we are doing now. We didn't make a decision on conformance. There was good support for "stacked outcomes" where outcomes build on each other. 17:18:56 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JKJ32DK_A82ahsQ_k0RVPc-ZYpX5uuKtuGOLdo2OqyY/edit#heading=h.ofc72f1ys4p0 17:19:07 Topic: What to work on next 17:19:18 Julie: Should we work on an assertion? 17:20:26 Jeanne: I think it would help to have a built out assertion as an example. Right now, there aren't any built out examples. 17:20:33 q+ 17:21:00 Julie: My concern is that if we build an assertion, people would give up on detailed tests and just rely on an assertion. 17:22:04 John: I looked up assertion and saw some examples online. Do we want to create our own or piggy-back on others? 17:23:06 Julie: We acknowledge in a plain language assertion that there is a large body of reserach that we are drawing from from a variety of countries 17:24:01 EA: If we don't create an assertion, otherwise someone else could do one that is difficult to understand. If we do it, we can do it well. 17:24:22 Julie: Let's try it. 17:24:49 Topic: Clear Language Assertion 17:25:29 Clear Language Working Draft -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JKJ32DK_A82ahsQ_k0RVPc-ZYpX5uuKtuGOLdo2OqyY/ 17:25:33 https://www.plainlanguage.gov/resources/articles/revisiting-plain-language/ 17:27:15 https://formatically.com/how-to-write-assertions 17:29:31 Jeanne: I like the part about Back it All Up, and Be Clear and Concise 17:30:14 http://www.administrativerules.org/archive/2006/summer/conference/info/presentations/20060710-2pm-Plain_Language.pdf 17:30:20 Julie: A plain language review was conducted 17:30:29 Jeanne: And the suggestions were implemented 17:34:21 Julie: I think we want to make companies make a statement that they did a plain language review. 17:34:57 JohnR: For example, 20% of our employees are trained in plain language. 17:35:23 EA: Could we say that we follow these guideline published by the EU? 17:35:49 JohnR: How can they prove it? 17:36:23 EA: They can't. They keep them in a file drawer and have to bring them out and show they did them. 17:36:56 JohnK: In the US, we have to do it for US federal law, and make an attestation that we followed it. 17:37:51 Julie: If we said X% of our employees have received a training? 17:38:31 EA: There is a way that we can link to the rules they used. Probably every country has plain language guidelines. 17:39:06 John: Is it present Yes/No? Is there a link to the plain language guidelines that this entity is following? 17:39:55 Jan: +1 to JohnR. It would be difficult to prove that a tranining happened. But we can say "the resources are available in the company. 17:40:22 +1 to JohnR's idea as well 17:40:43 Julie: In my website, the engineers are not content creators, would they be required to be trained or know that the resources exist? 17:41:09 Jan: Would they ever know that the repository of information exists? 17:42:00 ... large companies have global policies and there is training so that people know they exist. 17:42:54 JohnR: I like that we are effective with the least amount of burden. It makes it more likely that people will do it. 17:43:25 Jan: "Here are our resources, and internally, they are reminded annually where they are located." 17:43:52 ... THey also should be available to vendors, so third party developers of content know about them and use them. 17:44:14 ... and optionally they should link to them 17:44:46 Julie: Do they boil down to bullets: 17:46:10 ... We assert that we have a link to plain language resources on our employee training. 17:47:11 Jan: Companies have required training. Code of conduct, security training, and everyone has to take it. As a part of their global annual training, here is where our guidelines are and available to employees. 17:47:33 q+ to suggest we assert plain language review 17:48:58 Julie: I want to see some more teeth in it. Just having a link to a website is apt to be ignored. 17:49:31 [suggestions for bronze, silver, gold (or stacked outcomes)] 17:50:07 ack ea 17:52:02 EA: When the site has to use complex language, that a glossary is included.. 17:52:29 JohnR: Or a plain language summary. 17:52:49 Jeanne: THose are measurable, so they can be addressed elsewhere. 17:53:23 JohnR: We assert we do 3 of these X things. 17:57:23 Bronze: We assert that we have a link to a plain-language guideline in our employee resources. [INSERT LINK HERE] 17:57:23 Bronze: We assert our editorial guidelines include plain language XYZ. 17:57:23 Bronze: We assert we include plain-language summaries at the top of of XYZ 17:57:23 Silver: We assert this plain-language guideline is part of our organization’s annual training. 17:57:25 Gold: We assert X% of our content creators have received training in plain-language guidelines. 17:57:25 Gold: We assert X% of our pages have been reviewed by an editor trained in plain language. 17:59:01 JohnR: We could come up with a system with a weighting process of what is the most important 17:59:35 EA: For example, at a university, most of the pages are made by 3rd parties. THey couldn't do it. 18:00:25 Julie: Think about it next week. 18:00:30 rrsagent, make minutes 18:00:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/14-coga-minutes.html jeanne 18:02:41 Github has joined #coga 21:23:39 Zakim has left #coga