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13:01:54 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
13:02:25 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Changkyu_Lee, Michael_McCool
13:04:02 <kaz> present+ Mun_Hwan_Choi, Michael_Lagally, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:04:08 <kaz> chair: Lagally
13:04:16 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:04:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:04:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/07-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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13:05:04 <mlagally> zakim, who is on the call?
13:05:04 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Changkyu_Lee, Michael_McCool, Mun_Hwan_Choi, Michael_Lagally, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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13:07:43 <kaz> scribenick: McCool
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13:08:00 <McCool> topic: housekeeping
13:08:15 <mlagally> https://www.w3.org/2023/02/07-wot-uc-minutes.html
13:08:18 <McCool> ml: minutes from Feb 7, last use cases call
13:09:01 <McCool> ... small typo in spelling of requirements
13:09:03 <kaz> s|https://www.w3.org/2023/02/07-wot-uc-minutes.html|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/02/07-wot-uc-minutes.html Feb-7|
13:09:05 <McCool> kaz: fixed
13:10:05 <McCool> ml: no objections to publishing?
13:10:13 <McCool> ... none, let's publish
13:10:19 <McCool> topic: PRs
13:10:29 <McCool> subtopic: PR #205
13:10:42 <McCool> ml: UC and requirements process
13:10:54 <McCool> ... is a PPTX, will provide a PDF
13:10:58 <McCool> ... skip for now
13:11:07 <McCool> subtopic: PR #210
13:11:20 <McCool> ml: fixes links in template
13:11:25 <kaz> i|UC and|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/205 PR 205 - UC and requirement process - new WG charter|
13:11:50 <kaz> i|fixes links|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/210 PR 210 - Fix the links to the templates|
13:12:15 <McCool> mm: should we use absolute links to be safer?
13:12:25 <McCool> ml: should not matter in this case
13:12:29 <McCool> mm: ok, let's merge
13:12:35 <McCool> subtopic: PR #211
13:12:41 <McCool> ml: SIFIS use case
13:12:56 <McCool> ... need Luca for this, will defer
13:13:23 <McCool> subtopic: PR #212
13:13:30 <kaz> i|SIFIS|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/211 PR 211 - SIFIS-Home use-case|
13:13:30 <McCool> ml: removes business justification
13:14:17 <McCool> mm: should probably be a filtering/prioritization step in the *process*; maybe create an issue for followup?
13:14:51 <kaz> i|removes|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/212 PR 212 - Remove Business Impact from Requirements Template|
13:15:42 <kaz> q+
13:15:49 <McCool> ml: creates issue #220
13:16:34 <McCool> mm: we can define later, will have to put comments on issue
13:16:49 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/220 Issue 220 - Process needs to take Business motivation into account
13:16:53 <kaz> ack k
13:17:31 <McCool> ml: merges PR
13:18:15 <kaz> i/we can/kaz: I agree it would be useful to have description on business need. However, as already noted the other day, I'm not sure "Business Justification" would be the best term for this purpose./
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13:18:43 <kaz> i/we can/mm: probably something like "Business Motivation" would be better./
13:18:49 <kaz> i/we can/kaz: agree/
13:18:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:18:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/07-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:19:13 <luca_barbato> sorry today I also had an overlapping meeting
13:19:29 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
13:19:41 <kaz> s/sorry today I also had an overlapping meeting//
13:19:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:19:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/07-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:20:22 <kaz> i/it would be useful/scribenick: kaz/
13:20:27 <kaz> i/we can define/scribenick: McCool/
13:20:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:20:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/07-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:20:51 <McCool> subtopic: PR #214
13:21:08 <McCool> mm: just a start, but I wanted to describe the variants
13:21:26 <kaz> i|just a start|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/214 PR 214 - Create geolocation-requirements.md|
13:21:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:21:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/07-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:22:32 <McCool> ... but still a lot of work to do, missing sections, etc.
13:25:09 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/mmccool-geolocation-requirements/REQUIREMENTS/geolocation-requirements.md geolocation-requirements.md (rendered)
13:25:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:25:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/07-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:25:54 <McCool> ... can either merge and create issue, or leave open and ask for comments on PR
13:26:04 <McCool> ml: let's leave it open and ask for input and reviews
13:26:32 <luca_barbato> q+
13:28:02 <McCool> mm: if people can use the "suggestion" features in github for concrete comments
13:28:17 <kaz> q+
13:28:20 <kaz> ack luca
13:29:16 <McCool> ... for large changes, make a PR against my branch
13:29:38 <kaz> ack k
13:30:36 <McCool> kaz: if large changes are expected then better to merge and make PRs against the repo
13:30:52 <McCool> mm: suggest leave open for week to capture comments, then merge, then do bigger PRs
13:31:08 <McCool> ml: reminder that is an example, so comments on the template also useful
13:33:14 <McCool> kaz: still better to merge in my opinion
13:33:27 <McCool> mm: either is ok with me; will probably immediately create a new PR
13:33:44 <McCool> kaz: also suggest we merge the template PR as well
13:34:13 <McCool> ml: fine with me
13:35:01 <McCool> ml: ok, let me merge the template PR
13:35:55 <McCool> mm: geolocation as well
13:36:40 <McCool> ml: including some changes, including adding "Draft" to title; merged
13:37:35 <McCool> subtopic: PR #216
13:37:43 <McCool> ml: by Changkyu Lee
13:37:53 <McCool> ... et al
13:38:00 <kaz> i|by C|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/216 PR 216 - A new usecase about smart agriculture|
13:38:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:38:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/07-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
13:38:35 <McCool> cl: feel IoT is useful in agriculture, want to submit several use cases for this industry
13:38:50 <McCool> ... two new use cases actually, #216 is for livestock management
13:38:56 <kaz> -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-usecases/216/5fdbe0c...echkyu:ded354f.html#Livestock%20Health%20Management diff -  2.1.6  Livestock Health Management
13:39:23 <McCool> ... IoT is useful to track health status, combined with AI to do prediction
13:39:53 <McCool> ... can send alerts if it detects problems
13:40:23 <McCool> ... need sensors, cameras, need wireless networks, need environmental controls, some systems to analyze the data
13:40:42 <McCool> ... have some expected data as well, some means to detect disease
13:41:01 <McCool> ... environmental controls also useful: humidity, temperature, CO2 levels, etc.
13:41:23 <McCool> ... result is a plan to address issues
13:41:58 <McCool> q+
13:42:09 <luca_barbato> q+
13:42:20 <McCool> cl: as for requirements, have communication, sensors, etc.
13:42:30 <McCool> ... note that failures need to be dealt with
13:42:43 <kaz> q?
13:42:46 <kaz> q+
13:42:50 <mlagally> q+
13:45:21 <McCool> mm: could see clearer requirements, e.g. for protocols esp for streaming
13:45:31 <McCool> ... and analytics
13:45:45 <McCool> luca: interesting that have three kinds of sensors
13:45:54 <McCool> ... one is biometric
13:46:02 <McCool> ... another is multimedia, e.g. video
13:46:32 <McCool> ... both need to identify entities, i.e. a particular cow, where it is, etc.
13:46:35 <kaz> q?
13:46:38 <kaz> ack mc
13:46:39 <kaz> ack lu
13:46:47 <McCool> ... would be good to cross-reference with other use cases
13:47:05 <McCool> ... for example, with geolocation
13:47:42 <McCool> ... other issues, on-site vs. off-site compute
13:47:54 <McCool> mm: what third category of sensor?
13:48:15 <McCool> luca: biometric, multimedia, location
13:48:28 <McCool> s/location/identity/
13:48:38 <McCool> s/location/location and identity/
13:49:17 <McCool> kaz: would be useful to consider variations, e.g. might be differences between how chickens and cows are managed; also differences by country
13:49:36 <kaz> ack k
13:49:42 <kaz> ack ml
13:50:17 <McCool> ml: a bit more of a description of what benefits the AI would bring; I see predictive results, etc.
13:50:27 <McCool> ... but maybe also learning from other farms?
13:50:42 <McCool> ... for example, discovering communicable diseases early
13:50:54 <McCool> ... by comparing data across farms
13:51:19 <kaz> s/by country/by country and area/
13:51:23 <McCool> ml: in summary I think it is a useful addition; we have plants, but not animals, which has additional aspects like dynamic location
13:51:36 <McCool> ml: do you want to refine it or merge it now?
13:52:10 <McCool> mm: I suggest we merge it and look for future PRs to improve
13:52:10 <Mizushima_> q
13:52:18 <kaz> s/q//
13:52:24 <Mizushima_> q+
13:52:29 <McCool> ... as it is it is quite good, comments are in the nature of improvements, not blockers
13:53:03 <McCool> mz: agree to merge, but if possible, would like to see a diagram if possible (as a future improvement)
13:53:17 <McCool> ml: what would you like to see in the diagram?  Logical components?
13:53:40 <McCool> mz: how to get data and how to flow data into server
13:53:51 <kaz> q+
13:53:54 <kaz> ack mi
13:54:43 <McCool> ml: would you want to do an image in a future PR?
13:54:59 <McCool> cl: yes, would like to merge this version and do another PR for improvements
13:55:19 <McCool> kaz: agree would be useful have a diagram for dataflow, but can be done later
13:55:27 <McCool> ... diagram can also include stakeholders
13:55:32 <kaz> ack k
13:56:05 <McCool> ml: ok, we agree to merge - done.  Looking forward to further improvements.
13:57:15 <McCool> ml: let's close the meeting here, will look at other topics next week
13:57:57 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:58:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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