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14:57:35 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
14:57:38 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
14:57:38 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:57:41 <janina> agenda+ Registry meetings and updates
14:57:41 <janina> agenda+ Update on A11y4Children
14:57:41 <janina> agenda+ Gap Analysis [from matatk]
14:57:41 <janina> agenda+ Symbol Module Implementations [from matatk]
14:57:44 <janina> agenda+ Test to show rendering symbols do not 'break' existing pages [from matatk]
14:57:47 <janina> agenda+ Review open issues
14:57:49 <janina> agenda+ Recruiting
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15:08:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:08:56 <matatk> scribe+
15:09:00 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:09:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Registry meetings and updates -- taken up [from janina]
15:09:08 <matatk> janina: This is my action, to arrange something to get everyone together.
15:09:14 <matatk> ... Suggest this hour.
15:09:27 <matatk> ... Does it matter if next week, or the week after?
15:11:11 <janina> janina: Discussion of when to schedule vis a vis CSUN.
15:11:22 <janina> janina: We're not participating, but they may be. We'll ask
15:11:29 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:11:29 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, matatk
15:11:32 <matatk> q?
15:11:42 <janina> ack ja
15:11:45 <matatk> zakim, next item
15:11:45 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Update on A11y4Children -- taken up [from janina]
15:12:17 <matatk> janina: We got some info from the group.
15:12:29 <janina> https://bob-dlc.github.io/clipps/
15:12:59 <matatk> janina: Let's have a look at this, and how it matches with our needs/attributes.
15:13:25 <matatk> ... These may complement the needs arising from Content Usable [the COGA doc]
15:14:02 <matatk> janina: Should we ask for a walkthrough with Bob? I was impressed when hearing him share this with the AC CG. The vocab was instructive.
15:14:13 <matatk> q+
15:14:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> A CLIPPS page that has slides, https://bob-dlc.github.io/clipps/theory.html
15:15:18 <janina> Discussion ...
15:15:29 <janina> We may need a walk through with Bob
15:16:49 <janina> Matthew: Should acquaint ourselves first and queue up our questions
15:18:01 <janina> Lionel: Notes Bob apologizes for the quality, but we like the quality
15:18:14 <janina> Lionel: Notes also he offered to come walk us through it
15:19:13 <janina> janina: Schedule Registry first? Then Bob?
15:19:16 <janina> [agreement]
15:19:40 <matatk> zakim, take up item 1
15:19:40 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Registry meetings and updates -- taken up [from janina]
15:19:55 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Want to double-check our agenda for the registry meeting.
15:20:07 <matatk> ... The first is how to internationalize the registry?
15:20:32 <matatk> janina: Yes (providing descriptions in other languages). We need a process for it, and we need to know if symbols change as a result of the human language involved.
15:20:45 <matatk> ... Does the order change? Do the symbols get flipped?
15:21:13 <matatk> ... That'll probably take most of the meeting, and will be the next revision of the spec. We'll need to then liaise with i18n.
15:21:30 <matatk> ... The next steps beyond that have to do with the processes for supporting symbol sets, and how we update the symbols.
15:22:09 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: This implies there's a method of referencing other symbol sets. We need a method to make them discoverable?
15:22:27 <matatk> janina: We don't create the mappings; the gorups that create the symbol sets would need to come to us and say "I want to be in the registry"
15:23:31 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: There needs to be a way for symbol sets to self announce they can be mapped to the regsitry?
15:23:54 <matatk> janina: Yes; need a way to map to the actual symbol image file from the BCI concept/index value.
15:24:27 <matatk> ... We won't be hosting graphics files, I presume.
15:24:42 <matatk> ... Maybe extensibility of existing symbol sets is the first process we define, then others.
15:25:44 <janina> matthew: Important that we can associate the ID with a symbol; don't even think we need URI
15:26:31 <matatk> janina: Agree we don't want to act as a lookup; we don't want to overload our servers; we want there to be a mapping that can be done locally, as matatk suggested.
15:26:48 <matatk> janina: We could point to where to go to get the symbol set that supports the registry.
15:27:16 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Curently there are 3 fields: ID, symbol (image), and English definition.
15:27:33 <matatk> ... Our first agendum is about providing alternatives to the English definition.
15:27:50 <matatk> ... Our second is about how sets get _their_ images mapped to the concept.
15:28:02 <janina> lionel: see three column design; id, description, symbols--an endpoint
15:28:37 <janina> matthew: agree with symbol-set discoverability
15:29:30 <janina> matthew: also don't believe we should point all the way to the symbol; lookup should be reserved for things that change fairly often
15:29:37 <janina> matthew: mostly, symbols don't change
15:30:03 <janina> matthew: download symbolset, and add the id into graphic metadata
15:30:43 <janina> matthew: discovery probably not a big deal for symbol users
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15:32:59 <matatk> janina: We'll need to answer the i18n questions at some point soon.
15:33:19 <matatk> ... Including fallbacks: is English, and what symbol (if any) form adequate fallbacks for different parts of the spec.
15:34:13 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: We can tackle the issue of discovery of sets. Now we need to listen to the symbol set providers about how they would implement the mapping, or re-arrange their sets. What are their constraints?
15:34:25 <janina> lionel: we need to listen to ss providers; agenda becomes how to make mapping to my set, and how to help a user associate the id with the correct symbol
15:34:26 <matatk> ack me
15:35:17 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Maybe worth stating our goals (not creating lots of extra traffic; that this will be a normative spec) up front.
15:35:45 <janina> lionel: we're not trying to take over and we need to be clear about that
15:35:55 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Global Symbols has made a lot of progress in making symbol sets discoverable; we're not trying to replace that.
15:36:07 <janina> lionel: we're creating a normative path to associate ss in content
15:37:42 <janina> [agreement this discussion was very helpful]
15:38:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: We are Normative IRC 2119
15:38:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: The goal, Allow user-agents to access and display the preferred symboll set of the user
15:39:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: The goal, Allow user-agents to access and display the preferred symbol set of the user, as indicated by BCI index value
15:40:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: The goal, For web content, allow user-agents to access and display the preferred symbol set of the user, as indicated by a BCI index value
15:41:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: The goal, For web/dpub content, allow user-agents to access and display the preferred symbol set of the user, as indicated by BCI index values present in the content
15:42:10 <janina> matthew: we will need to explain why normative matters to them
15:43:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: We are Normative IRC 2119. For the symbol sets that you are already curating and publishing, we provide a reliable and robust technological function, enabling the global audience to reference
15:44:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: For the symbol sets that you are already curating and publishing, we provide a reliable and robust technological function, enabling the global audience to reference you correctly
15:45:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: Agenda, iterate and share the 3 guidelines above
15:45:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
15:46:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: Agenda item 1, i18n
15:46:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> .. agenda item 2, How to make other symbol sets discoverable, "Get your symbol set on the map"
15:47:47 <matatk> janina: I'm confident BCI understands this (our goals; how we intend to co-oeprate with others) already. Does Global Symbols? We only had the one call with them.
15:48:11 <matatk> ... I think they appreciated that we're aiming to co-operate, not compete, with them, but wanted to check.
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15:48:39 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: Yes
15:50:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:50:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: User-Agent Support for AAC, Microsoft focus
15:52:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We checked with COGA regarding the Microsoft Immersive Reader, and the MS rep is no longer with MS
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