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19:59:06 <brentz> zakim, start the meeting
19:59:06 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
19:59:08 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), brentz
19:59:24 <brentz> meeting: VCWG Teleconference
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19:59:32 <brentz> chair: Kristina Yasuda
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20:07:17 <kristina> ack manu
20:07:19 <kristina> q?
20:07:27 <andres> present+
20:07:30 <kgriffin-gleif> Manu: chairs asked editors to prepare FPWDs
20:07:44 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: to probably bring up next week
20:08:15 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: facetoface recap details and minutes are available
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20:08:54 <brentz> zakim, who is here?
20:08:54 <Zakim> Present: brentz, stenr, kristina, Orie, manu, dlongley, cabernet, kgriffin-gleif, shigeya, tplooker, decentralgabe, TallTed, Kerri_Lemoie, andres
20:08:55 <kgriffin-gleif> ... content type discussion for vc datamodel and vc jwt prs have been merged and review continues
20:08:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see smccown, andres, kdeangs1, ToddSnyderGS1US, Kerri_Lemoie, tplooker, decentralgabe, kgriffin-gleif, cabernet, Orie, kristina, RRSAgent, Zakim, brentz, dmitriz, tzviya,
20:08:57 <Zakim> ... w3c_modbot, cel[m], bumblefudge, ounfacdo, saysaywhat, cel[h], npd, TallTed, stenr, dlehn, dlongley, cel, csarven, shigeya, hadleybeeman, bigbluehat, Dongwoo, stonematt, manu,
20:08:57 <Zakim> ... rhiaro
20:09:33 <brentz> present+ samsmith
20:09:34 <kgriffin-gleif> ...holder bindings conversation, no official resolution but there is PR from Oliver - plrease review
20:10:05 <brentz> present+ dmitriz
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20:10:41 <kgriffin-gleif> ... extension points, there are a lot, we need to make sure they are functional, the conversation is on going and we need to start looking toward feature freeze, no scope expansion after this point
20:10:49 <brentz> present+ markus
20:11:27 <brentz> present+ andres
20:12:06 <brentz> present+ BrianCampbell
20:12:19 <kgriffin-gleif> ... day 2 vc data integrity there was wording approved "stop working on vc-jws2020 and merge part of that work into vc-di-eddsa"
20:12:20 <brentz> present+ ToddSnyderGS1US
20:12:45 <Orie> technically the eddsa-2020 work item decisions wrt JCS are orthogonal to vc-jws-2020 decision
20:13:02 <brentz> present+ kdeangs1
20:13:02 <kgriffin-gleif> ... day 2 continuation on vc-jwt media types
20:13:16 <kgriffin-gleif> ... bringing clarity on pr44
20:13:34 <brentz> present+ PaulD
20:13:49 <brentz> present+ bumblefudge
20:13:58 <brentz> present+ gabe
20:13:59 <kgriffin-gleif> ... day 3 @context optional conversation, resolution was three steps, base data model agreement credential+ld+json
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20:14:26 <kgriffin-gleif> ... second step other documents may supply other wording
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20:16:04 <dlongley> q?
20:16:18 <brentz> present+ AndrewWhitehead
20:16:34 <kristina> q？
20:16:36 <kristina> q?
20:16:41 <kristina> ack stenr
20:17:27 <kgriffin-gleif> stenr: vc face to face agenda... identified topics interest to working group, those topics were prioritized
20:18:42 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: @context resultion that passed was base media type is crdential+ld+json, @context is required in that base media type
20:18:57 <kgriffin-gleif> ... other media types must be able to tranform the base media type
20:18:57 <kgriffin-gleif> ...
20:19:28 <kgriffin-gleif> ... transformation must specifiy uni/bi directional, those transformation might not fall under this WG
20:19:31 <kristina> q?
20:19:48 <manu> scribe+
20:20:06 <manu> kgriffin-gleif: Coming out of the F2F in Miami, there was discussion around VC-JWT around external proof format.
20:20:45 <manu> kgriffin-gleif: There was a desire from GLEIF for ACDC that felt analogous to that. The request from the room was concrete proposal and three additional supporters and add item before feature freeze.
20:20:56 <manu> kgriffin-gleif: We obtained 3 additional sponsors, where in the process would this go?
20:21:11 <manu> kristina: Please socialize that on the mailing list, we can put it on agenda in next WG call.
20:21:39 <kgriffin-gleif> https://weboftrust.github.io/vc-acdc/
20:21:42 <manu> kristina: There are other work item proposals being circulated, we should take time during next call or special topic call for all of those proposals. Please socialize your proposal on mailing list.
20:22:23 <kristina> Topic: VC Specifications Directory
20:22:32 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: are we readiy to talk about specification directories
20:23:03 <manu> Verifiable Credential Specifications Directory: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2023Feb/0015.html
20:23:03 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: yes, we have been talking about registries, some concerns over registries being too centralized
20:23:30 <kgriffin-gleif> ... there is a proposal out there link above around VC specifications directory
20:23:50 <kgriffin-gleif> ... many months of arguements around what goes into, or how it goes into a directory
20:23:57 <kgriffin-gleif> ... this proposal is more light weight
20:24:09 <kgriffin-gleif> ... to get into the registry you PR to add to the regsitry
20:24:25 <JoeAndrieu> s/the registry/the directory/
20:25:00 <kgriffin-gleif> ... provide (the right set) of fields, syntax checking fundamentally you can get into the directory by providing  extenstions or if you extend any of the properties, or if you
20:25:12 <kgriffin-gleif> ... implement new crdentials
20:25:34 <kgriffin-gleif> ... if you have a spec and it works with VCs this is a good place to be
20:26:31 <kgriffin-gleif> ... if this becomes a work item, there would be a process for entering the directory, to remove extreme bad usage of the directory
20:26:49 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to ask about ordering and control
20:26:51 <kgriffin-gleif> ... open to including as many as we can, omitting anything that would cause direct harm
20:27:13 <kristina> this issue would be related: https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/909
20:27:16 <kgriffin-gleif> ... concrete proposal, adopt this as a work item so we can aggrerate specifications
20:27:21 <kristina> q?
20:27:21 <Orie> q+
20:27:28 <kristina> ack JoeAndrieu
20:27:28 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to ask about ordering and control
20:28:04 <kgriffin-gleif> JoeAndrieu: Question, around control mechanisms, are there any? once an entry is in, who owns it, who updates it
20:28:11 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: the author would
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20:28:42 <kgriffin-gleif> JoeAndrieu: prefer to formalize authorization in the specification
20:29:17 <kgriffin-gleif> ... second question to provide mechanism to avoid gmaing of the directory (get their spec to the top)
20:29:32 <manu> q+ to ask if these can be issues, or we need to resolve them before adopting the work item?
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20:29:48 <kgriffin-gleif> ... concrete ask, how do we provide control and ordering
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20:30:00 <brentz> does this addition of ordering and control need to happen before the work item is adopted?
20:30:07 <SamSmith> q+
20:30:11 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: clarification around how you get into the directory
20:30:11 <kristina> ack Orie
20:30:11 <brentz> q+
20:30:33 <kgriffin-gleif> Orie: thanks for preparing the docuemnt, background on other spec registries
20:31:30 <kgriffin-gleif> ... no concrete proposal but plus one to manus comment on registries, we talked about relationship around regsitries with other groups ccg etc
20:31:47 <kgriffin-gleif> ... question would ccg be a home for this document vs this working group
20:32:20 <kgriffin-gleif> ... are we sure this is awork item for this group, could it be maintained by another gorup, is there a stragegic advantage for this group to do it
20:32:50 <kristina> ack manu
20:32:50 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to ask if these can be issues, or we need to resolve them before adopting the work item?
20:33:22 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: first point, what happens to the cryptro suite in the ccg, should shut down, it was not maintained like it should have been
20:34:03 <kgriffin-gleif> ... there are benefits to doing wgvc vs ccg so we're making progess doing it here
20:34:14 <kgriffin-gleif> ...s econd item shut down the cyrpto suite in ccg
20:34:24 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to support keeping in VCWG for consensus reasons
20:34:27 <kristina> q?
20:34:28 <kgriffin-gleif> ... third item is missing in manus mind :(
20:34:29 <Orie> Thanks Manu, thats what I was hoping to hear.
20:34:33 <kristina> ack SamSmith
20:34:57 <manu> q+ to ask if we can make these issues or we have to resolve them before accepting item?
20:35:32 <kgriffin-gleif> SamSmith: experiencing disputs with with did:keri plus one. if we are having a registry that is name squattable the request is to have conrete procedures, look toward IANA
20:36:07 <kristina> ack brentz
20:36:07 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: can you please indicate if you want to accept this work item
20:36:45 <kgriffin-gleif> brentz: hear concerns around how we go about doing this, this should perhaps be a work item first as a propsal and bring it in
20:37:03 <kgriffin-gleif> ... then raise issues
20:37:06 <kristina> ack JoeAndrieu
20:37:06 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to support keeping in VCWG for consensus reasons
20:37:30 <kgriffin-gleif> JoeAndrieu: plus one adopting it...
20:37:45 <kgriffin-gleif> ... short version, if we hand over to ccg...
20:37:49 <JoeAndrieu> the right to change the rules
20:37:58 <JoeAndrieu> I'll say it here.
20:38:14 <JoeAndrieu> +1 to adopting this work item, and fixing the control and ordering questions through consensus
20:38:17 <stenr> q+
20:38:38 <kristina> ack manu
20:38:38 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to ask if we can make these issues or we have to resolve them before accepting item?
20:38:53 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: can we convert the conversation to issues on the proposal
20:39:27 <JoeAndrieu> +1 to keeping it in VCWG because handing it to CCG also hands control over the directory rules, which would allow, IMO, too much flexibility to a different  consensus process.
20:39:27 <brentz> add "using the shortname vc-spec-dir"
20:39:30 <kgriffin-gleif> .. draft proposal adopt this as a work item (this being VC speccs directory)
20:39:42 <kristina> ack stenr
20:40:01 <manu> q+
20:40:02 <kgriffin-gleif> stenr: question on this, how to deal with collisions
20:40:09 <kristina> ack manu
20:40:09 <kgriffin-gleif> ... just add it to the list?
20:40:24 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: suggestion is you just add it to the list, post finger wagging
20:40:41 <JoeAndrieu> A book store can readily sell different books with the same name.
20:40:43 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: any changes want to see to the proposal in irc
20:41:04 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: brent suggestion of short name can be worked on before FPWD
20:41:25 <kgriffin-gleif> ... we don't have to make a short name decision now
20:41:37 <TallTed> "tentatively using the shortname vc-spec-dir"
20:41:42 <kgriffin-gleif> ... we'll do it before FPWD
20:42:05 <kgriffin-gleif> brentz: short name, we'll work it out
20:42:07 <SamSmith> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8126.html
20:42:30 <kristina> PROPOSAL: Adopt https://msporny.github.io/vc-specs-directory/ as the "VC Specs Directory" work item in the VCWG tentatively using the shortname vc-spec-dir, converting all concerns raised during the call to issues in the Github repository.
20:42:36 <manu> +1
20:42:42 <brentz> +1
20:42:44 <stenr> +1
20:42:45 <JoeAndrieu> +1
20:42:48 <ToddSnyderGS1US> +1
20:42:58 <Phil-T3> +1 to the creating VC Specs Directory proposal
20:42:58 <andres> +1
20:43:10 <dlongley> +1
20:43:10 <shigeya> +1
20:43:13 <tplooker> +1
20:43:14 <TallTed> +1
20:43:16 <Kerri_Lemoie> +1
20:43:23 <kgriffin-gleif> +1
20:43:35 <SamSmith> See RFC 8126 section 9.5.  Contact Person vs Assignee or Owner
20:43:40 <decentralgabe> +1
20:43:42 <smccown> +1
20:43:57 <SamSmith> +1
20:44:05 <Orie> +1
20:44:05 <dmitriz> +1
20:44:07 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: last call
20:44:29 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: the propsoal is resolved, there are no objections
20:44:31 <kristina> RESOLVED: Adopt https://msporny.github.io/vc-specs-directory/ as the "VC Specs Directory" work item in the VCWG tentatively using the shortname vc-spec-dir, converting all concerns raised during the call to issues in the Github repository.
20:45:06 <kgriffin-gleif> ... do we need to run a propsoal around retiring the crypto suite at ccg
20:45:18 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: will draft, he needs a minute
20:46:31 <stenr> Looking at https://w3c-ccg.github.io/ld-cryptosuite-registry/, right?
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20:46:59 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: and we make the propsoal more specific with regard to reregsitering
20:47:07 <Orie> Also https://github.com/w3c-ccg/vc-extension-registry
20:47:43 <kgriffin-gleif> ... anything that is duplicative can it only reside in the new directory
20:48:06 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: no duplication, we will be redirecting
20:48:15 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: can we migrate?
20:48:25 <Orie> typically we do a "client side redirect" or a server side one if w3id.org is used.
20:48:45 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: we'll redirect the whole registry, if they had an old one, they can register
20:48:55 <Orie> q+
20:48:59 <kristina> ack Orie
20:49:19 <manu> yes, Orie is correct... we're talking about BOTH of those registries.
20:49:36 <kgriffin-gleif> Orie: noting that there are two registries vc extenstion and crypto suite, are we retiring both
20:50:04 <kristina> draft proposal: The W3C VCWG requests that the Credentials Community Group redirect the entire existing Cryptosuites Registry and the Verifiable Credential Extension Registries to the newly adopted VC Specs Directory.
20:50:34 <kristina> proposal: The W3C VCWG requests that the Credentials Community Group redirect the entire existing Cryptosuites Registry and the Verifiable Credential Extension Registries to the newly adopted VC Specs Directory.
20:50:37 <Orie> +1
20:50:38 <stenr> +1
20:50:39 <manu> +1
20:50:40 <dlongley> +1
20:50:40 <Phil-T3> +1
20:50:42 <JoeAndrieu> +1
20:50:43 <andres> +1
20:50:43 <ToddSnyderGS1US> +1
20:50:48 <shigeya> +1
20:50:50 <kgriffin-gleif> +1
20:50:51 <tplooker> +1
20:50:54 <decentralgabe> +1
20:50:54 <Kerri_Lemoie> +1
20:51:06 <smccown> +1
20:51:06 <brentz> +1
20:51:09 <dmitriz> +1
20:51:25 <TallTed> +1
20:51:34 <Paul_Dietrich_GS1> +1
20:51:46 <kristina> resolved: The W3C VCWG requests that the Credentials Community Group redirect the entire existing Cryptosuites Registry and the Verifiable Credential Extension Registries to the newly adopted VC Specs Directory.
20:51:48 <manu> \o/   \o/
20:51:52 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: no minus ones - proposal is resolved
20:52:04 <kgriffin-gleif> ... thank manu for the document
20:52:31 <kgriffin-gleif> ... please raise issues if you're worried about collisions etc
20:52:41 <manu> q+
20:53:02 <kristina> ack manu
20:53:04 <kgriffin-gleif> ... and an editor give an update on which PRs more attention or special topic call
20:53:19 <kristina> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pulls
20:53:19 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: vc dm has 17 prs open, please look at the top eight or more
20:53:33 <kgriffin-gleif> ... there are a number with do not merge, special call require
20:53:51 <kristina> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-integrity/pulls
20:54:36 <kristina> https://github.com/w3c/vc-di-eddsa/pulls
20:54:58 <kgriffin-gleif> ... start processing prs this weekend if the PR is older than seven days
20:55:06 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: can we have more than a week
20:55:26 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: fourteen days had been given, what do we want additional
20:55:49 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: if people are OK with the warning on the call (seven days)
20:56:20 <kristina> q?
20:56:22 <kgriffin-gleif> manu: if there are old PRs with no objections, it will be moved, recent ones with not much review, will not be merged
20:57:44 <kgriffin-gleif> kristina: a lot of work items propsed, please exercise rational judgment!
20:57:57 <brentz> zakim, end the meeting
20:57:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been brentz, stenr, kristina, Orie, manu, dlongley, cabernet, kgriffin-gleif, shigeya, tplooker, decentralgabe, TallTed, Kerri_Lemoie, andres,
20:58:00 <Zakim> ... samsmith, dmitriz, JoeAndrieu, smccown, markus, BrianCampbell, ToddSnyderGS1US, kdeangs1, PaulD, bumblefudge, gabe, Phil-T, Paul_Dietrich_GS1, AndrewWhitehead
20:58:00 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:58:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-vcwg-minutes.html Zakim
20:58:08 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, brentz; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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20:58:12 <kristina> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:58:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-vcwg-minutes.html kristina
20:58:18 <brentz> rrsagent, bye
20:58:18 <RRSAgent> I see no action items