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15:52:45 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
15:53:18 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
15:53:33 <Fazio> Chair: Fazio, SBH
15:54:59 <Fazio> Agenda+ New member introductions
15:55:11 <Fazio> zakim, clear agenda
15:55:11 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:55:15 <Fazio> Agenda+ New member introductions
15:55:34 <Fazio> Agenda+ Check in with Josh about Github Issues
15:55:55 <Fazio> Agenda + Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey
15:56:09 <Fazio> Agenda + New business
15:56:19 <Fazio> present+
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16:02:59 <IrfanAli> regrets: Lionel, Nadine
16:03:02 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:03:02 <Zakim> Present: Fazio, Joshue, nadine, janina, Lionel, Fazio_, CharlesL, Mark_Miller, IrfanAli, Sheri_B-H, jlkline
16:03:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see IrfanAli, CharlesL, janina, RRSAgent, Fazio, Zakim, jspellman
16:03:14 <IrfanAli> agenda?
16:03:22 <IrfanAli> scribe: Irfan Ali
16:03:35 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:03:36 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New member introductions -- taken up [from Fazio]
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16:03:58 <Sheri_BH> Present +
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16:04:24 <IrfanAli> Chair: David Fazio
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16:06:48 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:06:48 <Zakim> Present: Fazio, Joshue, nadine, janina, Lionel, Fazio_, CharlesL, Mark_Miller, IrfanAli, Sheri_B-H, jlkline, Sheri_BH, Lionel_Wolberger_
16:06:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see Joshue108, Lionel_Wolberger_, Sheri_BH, jlkline, IrfanAli, CharlesL, janina, RRSAgent, Fazio, Zakim, jspellman
16:06:48 <Joshue108> present+
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16:07:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-maturity-minutes.html janina
16:08:05 <janina> present+
16:08:07 <stacey> present+
16:08:19 <Lionel_Wolberger_> present+
16:13:05 <IrfanAli> Inroduction
16:16:30 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:16:31 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Check in with Josh about Github Issues -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:16:31 <Lionel_Wolberger_> s/Inroduction/Introductions
16:19:10 <IrfanAli> jspellman: most of the issues are minor and dealt on different layer. if there is something that you want me to look into, I will check it out.
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16:20:15 <IrfanAli> Fazio: we have asked Josh to cleanup the queue in github
16:20:49 <IrfanAli> janina: this is useful to have fresh overview especially for the people who come with fresh perspective.
16:21:44 <Fazio> When would they start using this model? Where do they start/What initial steps would they take? What happens if they have one person with 8 hours per week or less available to be documenting (and doing the due diligence with others that they work with to get that data)? Is this model still a feasible option for them?
16:22:21 <Joshue108> q+
16:22:38 <IrfanAli> stacey: I would like to hear from you all. How do you envision to use this model?
16:23:17 <IrfanAli> stacey: if I am a brand new person in my org, I would not know how to use it and I would like to have this info
16:23:40 <IrfanAli> Fazio: we get similar questions and need to work on the case studies.
16:24:33 <IrfanAli> janina: we regard the click-ability of this model for all. therefore the case studies is required.
16:25:11 <Joshue108> ack me
16:25:52 <IrfanAli> Joshue108: I did some search in github. I want to ask you about the priority. There are tons of stuff out there
16:26:30 <IrfanAli> janina: let me suggest if there are editorials to validate and they are substantive please focus on them
16:26:42 <IrfanAli> Joshue108: before the call next week I will update about the progress
16:26:49 <janina> q?
16:28:10 <IrfanAli> sheri: some use cases - Large organization, Equity, consulting model. we can put anything which is going to be helpful to explain people about the usage
16:29:40 <IrfanAli> Lionel_Wolberger_: size is not everything. because in some huge compnies have only one digital asset and some that are not big they may have multiple products
16:30:34 <IrfanAli> sheri: informed and un-informed model
16:31:06 <Lionel_Wolberger_> q+
16:32:53 <IrfanAli> q+
16:34:58 <IrfanAli> Brian: mistake that we made was that we took this template, I would stay on first step whether it is one person or group of people are spending time on the template, we found that that we all had different interpretation.
16:36:00 <IrfanAli> Lionel_Wolberger_: we talk about different personas, but the person who is running the model is responsible for the progress. there is a huge difference between a typical case that we see very often.
16:36:59 <IrfanAli> Lionel_Wolberger_: you might be a beginner and you are in this org and working on multiple products. or other way around
16:37:07 <IrfanAli> ack, lionel
16:37:13 <IrfanAli> q?
16:37:18 <IrfanAli> ack Lionel
16:37:19 <CharlesL> q+
16:37:59 <IrfanAli> janina: we can form a subgroup if people are interested
16:38:18 <IrfanAli> janina: once we have something in writing we can add it in our document
16:38:41 <IrfanAli> stacey: I am willing to help
16:38:51 <IrfanAli> ack charles
16:40:14 <IrfanAli> CharlesL: with these personas, I am wondring about the different dimentions sheets in excel e.g knowledge, skills, support.. would we also define the role of organization departments
16:40:57 <IrfanAli> sheri: whoever has data has to be involved
16:41:44 <IrfanAli> CharlesL: I am trying to see how these dimensions are going to be assigned in organizational structure
16:42:31 <IrfanAli> jeff: it depends on the scale of the company
16:44:07 <IrfanAli> q-
16:44:08 <Fazio> Is the model only for SDLC/external-facing products? Or, does it encompass internal products, experiences, processes? This isn’t clear, but at first read of the introduction it seems external facing products only.
16:45:09 <IrfanAli> sheri: intent was to cover if you are external facing app includes 3rd party then they become important for the assessment
16:47:18 <CharlesL> q+
16:48:10 <IrfanAli> stacey: just in case if we are using any internal tool for external users like customer support  which is not accessible, I believe it will be included in this model to assessment
16:48:44 <IrfanAli> ack charles
16:49:30 <IrfanAli> CharlesL: this is what I was wondering about whole personas and knowing what dimension each company want to consider. I wasnt considering engineering procurement.
16:49:46 <IrfanAli> it might be good to point out
16:50:05 <IrfanAli> +1
16:50:28 <Fazio> Integrate stage - who’s creating the roadmap? Or is this meaning it’s baked into the roadmap for various teams? Part of OKRs?
16:51:13 <IrfanAli> stacey: Objective and Key results for quantitate goal settings
16:51:27 <Fazio> OKR = Objectives, Key Results
16:53:05 <IrfanAli> rrsagent, make minutes
16:53:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-maturity-minutes.html IrfanAli
16:53:38 <IrfanAli> Fazio: do we want to create any github issue to address some of the points and to update SDLC documentation
16:53:55 <IrfanAli> Sheri: we already ahve github issues for usecases including personas
16:55:20 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:55:20 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:55:29 <IrfanAli> zakim, close this item
16:55:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:55:30 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:55:30 <Zakim> 4. New business [from Fazio]
16:55:33 <IrfanAli> zakim, next item
16:55:33 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New business -- taken up [from Fazio]
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