IRC log of maturity on 2023-03-01

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
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meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
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Chair: Fazio, SBH
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Agenda+ New member introductions
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
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Agenda+ New member introductions
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Agenda+ Check in with Josh about Github Issues
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Agenda + Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey
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Agenda + New business
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present+
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present+
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regrets: Lionel, Nadine
16:03:02 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
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Present: Fazio, Joshue, nadine, janina, Lionel, Fazio_, CharlesL, Mark_Miller, IrfanAli, Sheri_B-H, jlkline
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On IRC I see IrfanAli, CharlesL, janina, RRSAgent, Fazio, Zakim, jspellman
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agenda?
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scribe: Irfan Ali
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- New member introductions -- taken up [from Fazio]
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Present +
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present+
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present+
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Chair: David Fazio
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present+
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zakim, who's here?
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Present: Fazio, Joshue, nadine, janina, Lionel, Fazio_, CharlesL, Mark_Miller, IrfanAli, Sheri_B-H, jlkline, Sheri_BH, Lionel_Wolberger_
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On IRC I see Joshue108, Lionel_Wolberger_, Sheri_BH, jlkline, IrfanAli, CharlesL, janina, RRSAgent, Fazio, Zakim, jspellman
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present+
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-maturity-minutes.html janina
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present+
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present+
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present+
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Inroduction
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Check in with Josh about Github Issues -- taken up [from Fazio]
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s/Inroduction/Introductions
16:19:10 [IrfanAli]
jspellman: most of the issues are minor and dealt on different layer. if there is something that you want me to look into, I will check it out.
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Fazio: we have asked Josh to cleanup the queue in github
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janina: this is useful to have fresh overview especially for the people who come with fresh perspective.
16:21:44 [Fazio]
When would they start using this model? Where do they start/What initial steps would they take? What happens if they have one person with 8 hours per week or less available to be documenting (and doing the due diligence with others that they work with to get that data)? Is this model still a feasible option for them?
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q+
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stacey: I would like to hear from you all. How do you envision to use this model?
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stacey: if I am a brand new person in my org, I would not know how to use it and I would like to have this info
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Fazio: we get similar questions and need to work on the case studies.
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janina: we regard the click-ability of this model for all. therefore the case studies is required.
16:25:11 [Joshue108]
ack me
16:25:52 [IrfanAli]
Joshue108: I did some search in github. I want to ask you about the priority. There are tons of stuff out there
16:26:30 [IrfanAli]
janina: let me suggest if there are editorials to validate and they are substantive please focus on them
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Joshue108: before the call next week I will update about the progress
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q?
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sheri: some use cases - Large organization, Equity, consulting model. we can put anything which is going to be helpful to explain people about the usage
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Lionel_Wolberger_: size is not everything. because in some huge compnies have only one digital asset and some that are not big they may have multiple products
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sheri: informed and un-informed model
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q+
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q+
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Brian: mistake that we made was that we took this template, I would stay on first step whether it is one person or group of people are spending time on the template, we found that that we all had different interpretation.
16:36:00 [IrfanAli]
Lionel_Wolberger_: we talk about different personas, but the person who is running the model is responsible for the progress. there is a huge difference between a typical case that we see very often.
16:36:59 [IrfanAli]
Lionel_Wolberger_: you might be a beginner and you are in this org and working on multiple products. or other way around
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ack, lionel
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q?
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ack Lionel
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q+
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janina: we can form a subgroup if people are interested
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janina: once we have something in writing we can add it in our document
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stacey: I am willing to help
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ack charles
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CharlesL: with these personas, I am wondring about the different dimentions sheets in excel e.g knowledge, skills, support.. would we also define the role of organization departments
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sheri: whoever has data has to be involved
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CharlesL: I am trying to see how these dimensions are going to be assigned in organizational structure
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jeff: it depends on the scale of the company
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q-
16:44:08 [Fazio]
Is the model only for SDLC/external-facing products? Or, does it encompass internal products, experiences, processes? This isn’t clear, but at first read of the introduction it seems external facing products only.
16:45:09 [IrfanAli]
sheri: intent was to cover if you are external facing app includes 3rd party then they become important for the assessment
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q+
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stacey: just in case if we are using any internal tool for external users like customer support which is not accessible, I believe it will be included in this model to assessment
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ack charles
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CharlesL: this is what I was wondering about whole personas and knowing what dimension each company want to consider. I wasnt considering engineering procurement.
16:49:46 [IrfanAli]
it might be good to point out
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+1
16:50:28 [Fazio]
Integrate stage - who’s creating the roadmap? Or is this meaning it’s baked into the roadmap for various teams? Part of OKRs?
16:51:13 [IrfanAli]
stacey: Objective and Key results for quantitate goal settings
16:51:27 [Fazio]
OKR = Objectives, Key Results
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/01-maturity-minutes.html IrfanAli
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Fazio: do we want to create any github issue to address some of the points and to update SDLC documentation
16:53:55 [IrfanAli]
Sheri: we already ahve github issues for usecases including personas
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey -- taken up [from Fazio]
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zakim, close this item
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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4. New business [from Fazio]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- New business -- taken up [from Fazio]
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