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14:41:19 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:42:43 <Lisa> scribe+ Jennie
14:42:56 <Lisa> regrets+ becca
14:43:07 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
14:43:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/27-coga-minutes.html Lisa
14:43:38 <Lisa> agenda+ time of call. Can we move it by half  and hour
14:43:49 <Lisa> agenda+
14:45:05 <Lisa> agenda+ calender - can subgroups use it?  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2023Jan/0005.html
14:45:53 <Lisa> agenda+ Can subgroup chairs send me times for april for 3 months
14:47:50 <Lisa> agenda+ Subgroups <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups> and timeline <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JXa94s2lbzJ0v9FHasxxws3CsOcljHHBdlQ2VOxYqAQ/edit#> including what the different groups need to move forward.
14:48:32 <Lisa> agenda+ Updates with task requests and actions <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#>  including: research and functional needs
14:48:56 <Lisa> agenda+ assertions survey
14:49:03 <Lisa> agenda+ AG update
14:49:43 <Lisa> agenda+ next session is an orentation session
14:49:54 <Lisa> ack next
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15:40:34 <Lisa> agenda?
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15:59:25 <Jennie> present+
15:59:28 <Jennie> scribe: Jennie
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16:01:33 <Jennie> Lisa: Where is a good place to store the zakim commands?
16:01:34 <Jennie> q+
16:01:36 <EA> Present+
16:02:03 <JustineP> present+
16:02:39 <Jennie> ack Jennie
16:02:47 <Jennie> Jennie: Maybe we ask Michael to add it to the main IRC page?
16:02:54 <Jennie> Lisa: I think some will need the specifics for COGA meetings
16:02:58 <Jennie> Jennie +1
16:03:17 <Jennie> Lisa: We have an orientation session after this call.
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16:03:25 <julierawe> preent+
16:03:30 <julierawe> present+
16:03:31 <Jennie> ...If anyone else wants to join you are welcome to join
16:03:40 <Jennie> ...I will probably do another one
16:03:45 <Lisa> close item 8
16:03:57 <Lisa> zakim, next item
16:03:57 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- time of call. Can we move it by half  and hour -- taken up [from Lisa]
16:04:10 <Jennie> Lisa: I sent the question to the list, and everyone seemed fine.
16:04:24 <Jennie> ...Are you comfortable with moving this call a half hour earlier?
16:04:43 <Jennie> Jennie: +1
16:04:53 <JustineP> I will be able to attend the last 30 minutes if we shift the time
16:04:58 <kirkwood> fine
16:04:59 <kirkwood> +1
16:05:04 <Jennie> Lisa: If you have difficulty, please put it in the IRC or speak out
16:05:12 <EA> It is going to make it 2.30 pm when we Spring forward in UK March 26th
16:05:20 <Jennie> Justine: That's correct, if shifted, I can only attend the last 30 minutes.
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16:05:33 <Jennie> ...But I am ok with moving if it works for the rest on the call
16:05:39 <Jennie> Lisa: Anyone else?
16:05:44 <Jan_> present+ Jan
16:05:55 <EA> May sometimes have a problem if other calls run over
16:06:17 <Jennie> Lisa: OK, EA may also have some difficulties occasionally
16:06:18 <kirkwood> present+
16:06:33 <Jennie> ...It sounds like it is not completely fine for Justine and EA
16:06:49 <Jennie> ...I will ask if there is another solution
16:07:01 <Jennie> ...I am assuming we want to keep it at the same time every week - is that correct?
16:07:09 <Lisa> zakim, next item
16:07:09 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- calender - can subgroups use it?  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2023Jan/0005.html -- taken up [from Lisa]
16:07:18 <Jennie> ...If anyone else has a challenge with the time, please let me know
16:07:30 <Jennie> Lisa: The calendar
16:07:51 <Jennie> ...And we were going to have the subgroup chairs update the subgroup meeting on a weekly basis
16:07:57 <kirkwood> present+
16:07:58 <Jennie> ...I can see that Clear Language has done this
16:08:18 <Jennie> ...This is a general reminder
16:08:31 <Jennie> *Jennie: thanks for the reminder! I will make a note to do so going forward
16:08:49 <Jennie> Lisa: Does anyone want help using the calendar or integrating the calendar onto their own?
16:08:54 <Lisa> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/r?cid=N2U1NThiYjg3ZjAwOWU0YWZiNWUwN2RhZTY2NmQzNWIzNWFhZjQ1ZDk3YmI4Zjk0NmUxYWNkYWNmZjEzYmQ3NEBncm91cC5jYWxlbmRhci5nb29nbGUuY29t
16:09:10 <Lisa>   - google.com/calendar/    <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0?cid=N2U1NThiYjg3ZjAwOWU0YWZiNWUwN2RhZTY2NmQzNWIzNWFhZjQ1ZDk3YmI4Zjk0NmUxYWNkYWNmZjEzYmQ3NEBncm91cC5jYWxlbmRhci5nb29nbGUuY29t>    - iCal    <https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/7e558bb87f009e4afb5e07dae666d35b35aaf45d97bb8f946e1acdacff13bd74%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics>
16:09:35 <julierawe> q+
16:09:37 <Lisa> Q?
16:09:44 <Lisa> ack next
16:09:58 <Jennie> Julie: I like having the calendar entries - it is really helpful.
16:10:13 <Jennie> ...For subgroup meeting, it would be helpful to specify which subgroup is meeting
16:10:39 <Jennie> ...This will help determine which you may want to attend.
16:10:47 <Jennie> Lisa: I can edit it. Can others?
16:11:23 <Jennie> ...I can change the owner to someone else.
16:12:03 <julierawe> q+
16:12:08 <Jennie> ...It might be easier if each subgroup owner changes it for themselves
16:12:11 <Lisa> ack next
16:12:20 <Jennie> Julie: What I have done is set a separate invitation that happens at the same time
16:12:28 <Jennie> ...This way I can add an agenda, and tailor it
16:12:34 <Jennie> ...Maybe that is the best way to do this?
16:12:49 <Jennie> ...If I don't get a separate invite, then I could still look
16:12:51 <Jan_> The schedule of the subgroups is linked in the calendar
16:12:52 <Jennie> q+
16:12:59 <Lisa> ack next
16:13:33 <Jennie> Jennie: can all subgroup leaders be co-owners of the meeting?
16:13:37 <Jan_> q+
16:13:39 <Jennie> Lisa: I think I can only pick one
16:13:48 <Jennie> q?
16:14:19 <Jennie> Lisa: I can also get rid of the reoccuring event, but I think it is better to have the duplicate
16:14:20 <Jennie> q?
16:14:29 <Lisa> ack next
16:14:43 <Jennie> Jan: The link to the subgroup schedule is in the invite to the calendar, and that tells the information
16:14:45 <Lisa> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/r?cid=N2U1NThiYjg3ZjAwOWU0YWZiNWUwN2RhZTY2NmQzNWIzNWFhZjQ1ZDk3YmI4Zjk0NmUxYWNkYWNmZjEzYmQ3NEBncm91cC5jYWxlbmRhci5nb29nbGUuY29t
16:14:59 <Jennie> ...Maybe we need that more noticeable instead of trying to change the invite each week?
16:15:04 <julierawe> +1 to Jan's suggestion :)
16:15:12 <Jennie> Lisa: Maybe I will put the schedule in, as well as the link.
16:15:17 <Jennie> ...OK, that is a compromise
16:16:14 <Lisa> zakim, next item
16:16:14 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Can subgroup chairs send me times for april for 3 months -- taken up [from Lisa]
16:16:29 <Jennie> Lisa: Another announcement for subgroup chairs
16:16:41 <Jennie> ...Or those involved and don't want to miss a specific group's meeting
16:16:51 <Jennie> ...Please send a list of dates you are not available for April, May, and June
16:17:29 <Jennie> ...It makes it easier for people when it is scheduled well ahead of the date
16:17:39 <Jennie> ...I will send this to the list as well
16:18:04 <Lisa> zakim, next item
16:18:04 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Subgroups <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups> and timeline
16:18:06 <Zakim> ... <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JXa94s2lbzJ0v9FHasxxws3CsOcljHHBdlQ2VOxYqAQ/edit#> including what the different groups need to move forward. -- taken up [from Lisa]
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16:18:23 <Jennie> Lisa: Quite a lot is happening with the subgroups
16:18:36 <Jennie> ...Rashmi is not on the call today - it is difficult for her to join this call
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16:18:58 <Jennie> ...I think it would be helpful to have someone co-lead with her
16:19:02 <ShawnT> Regret+
16:19:17 <Jennie> ...If anyone is interested in mental health and a leadership position there, it would be good to know about
16:19:38 <Jennie> ...Rain's subgroup with Kiki - structure review for content
16:19:50 <Jennie> ...Rain is not here today and will not be attending for the next month or 2
16:19:57 <Jennie> ...Kiki will co-chair I think, not sure
16:20:04 <Jennie> ...Clear language
16:20:20 <Jennie> Julie: We are underway with starting to draft the clear language section using WCAG 3's new template
16:20:27 <Jennie> ...Jeanne Spellman is guiding us through this process
16:20:41 <Jennie> ...We are meeting again this Thursday during the regular Thursday subgroup meeting time
16:20:49 <Jennie> Lisa: Is Jeanne joining you again?
16:21:09 <Jennie> ...Those interested in related issues may be interested in joining
16:21:18 <Jennie> Julie: She is joining as a guide for the next 4 meetings
16:21:34 <Jennie> ...I have been including on the invites: Jennie, Shawn, and anyone I think might be involved in other COGA section
16:21:39 <Jennie> ...of WCAG 3 will be
16:21:44 <Jennie> ...Access to help
16:21:56 <Jennie> ...Jeanne is providing some interesting insights into the writing process in general
16:22:04 <Jennie> ...I sent a summary after last week's meeting
16:22:19 <Jennie> ...This may help those that want more information about the approach for writing for WCAG 3
16:22:24 <Jennie> Lisa: Can you CC the list in general?
16:22:36 <Jennie> ...I think it is something that is almost general
16:22:52 <Jennie> Julie: One challenge I have is that I tried to share a document with the full list and got a message back
16:23:00 <Jennie> ...because no google account was not associated with this
16:23:13 <Jennie> Lisa: Were you sending it from the account that you have registered at the W3C?
16:23:24 <kirkwood> you can generally share it. to all actually (w/o edit access)
16:23:26 <Jennie> ...I have a second account, and I have to send it from the right account
16:23:28 <Jennie> q+
16:23:31 <kirkwood> i can help
16:23:38 <Lisa> ack next
16:24:13 <Lisa> agenda+ reminder about time change - anyone have issues with change
16:24:18 <julierawe> Can someone share the google drive link?
16:24:39 <kirkwood> exactly what Jennie said.
16:24:52 <Jennie> Jennie: Coga taskforce shared drive https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1i7L_7aPkmzsZjdLo-9adKbpGpiqaxod3
16:25:22 <Lisa> thanks
16:25:36 <Jennie> Lisa: I am going to remind about the time table - for the test strategy group
16:25:37 <Lisa> scribe+ lisa
16:26:10 <Lisa> jennie: big conversation about kpis, will meet with shawn and will post a summary and direction
16:26:37 <Jennie> Lisa: Research plan and strategy group
16:26:37 <Jennie> ...We divided it up
16:26:44 <Jennie> ...I had brief emails back and forth with David
16:26:52 <Jennie> ...Hopefully he can give a first draft soon to the list
16:27:04 <Jennie> ...Aaron - you were going to do a mini literature review
16:27:07 <Jennie> ...How is that coming?
16:27:11 <Jennie> Aaron: That is going
16:27:28 <Jennie> ...I started a private document, and focused my research on the internet of things and the web of things
16:27:56 <Jennie> ...Lisa and I had agreed on 3 categories (those previously stated), and interdevice interfaces like QR codes
16:28:10 <Jennie> ...I have started looking into these and can upload it soon into the drive
16:28:22 <Jennie> Lisa: Do you want time on the schedule?
16:28:40 <Jennie> Aaron: I think I need about 2 weeks. Preferably with Lisa first, then with the full group
16:28:45 <Jennie> ...and with anyone interested
16:28:52 <Jennie> ...My concern is that it can be quite broad
16:29:04 <Jennie> ...I want to be sure about the scope before taking the group's time
16:29:26 <Jennie> Lisa: The other question is: in the issue papers, what needs updating?
16:29:28 <Jan_> I can meet with Aaron prior to meeting with the larger group, if that would help.
16:29:43 <Jennie> ...Which ones are up to date?
16:29:54 <Jennie> Aaron: I think the issues are up to date, but the content needs to be updated
16:30:04 <Jennie> ...There seems to be a lot of questions around where things are cited from
16:30:15 <Jennie> Lisa: I think having an overview - they all need an update
16:30:24 <Jennie> ...Citations and references need to be improved
16:30:37 <Jennie> Aaron: I don't know if that ties into structure review that Rain is working on with Kiki
16:30:45 <Jennie> ...I wonder if that is a discussion to tie into their work
16:30:52 <Jennie> ...This is about the way we present information
16:31:14 <Jennie> ...In addition to citations - this is discussed in some circles, that our content is quite anecdotal
16:31:29 <Jennie> ...Thinking about the perspective we are writing from: medical model or social
16:31:37 <Jennie> Lisa: I am writing those down as future agenda items
16:31:51 <Jennie> ...Keep an eye on the agenda for the next couple of weeks
16:32:02 <Jennie> Aaron: I will. Thank you
16:32:17 <Jennie> Lisa: Jennie and John - image subgroup
16:32:23 <Lisa> image subgroup:
16:33:02 <Lisa> jennie: spirted and ontrack, but we needed more time. SO we will meet again this friday hopefuly
16:33:44 <Jennie> Lisa: Moving onto requests from other groups, such as about the FAST
16:33:53 <Jennie> ...The collaboration tool accessibility
16:33:59 <Lisa> zakim, next item
16:33:59 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Updates with task requests and actions <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#>  including: research and functional
16:34:02 <Zakim> ... needs -- taken up [from Lisa]
16:34:35 <Lisa> https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues/11
16:35:18 <Jennie> Lisa: I think I need to ask Janina
16:35:38 <Jennie> ...for feedback, next steps
16:36:30 <Jennie> Jennie: I think I need to set up a call with Janina
16:36:50 <Jennie> Lisa: and they closed the issue, so they won't see it!
16:37:01 <Jennie> Jennie: OK! Good to know - I will talk to her about that too
16:37:25 <Jennie> Lisa: What was happening with the FAST
16:37:43 <Jennie> Julie: During our Clear Language meeting last week Jeanne shared the current FAST draft
16:37:53 <Jennie> ...I shared COGA's feedback on this, which has not yet been incorporated
16:38:11 <Jennie> ...Jeanne looked into it, said FAST was dormant, and Michael Cooper said he would get it back on track
16:38:31 <Jennie> ...So the feedback we provided has not yet been incorporated yet, but Michael Cooper will start work on it again
16:38:39 <Jennie> Lisa: I don't want them to  lose that feedback
16:38:52 <Jennie> Julie: Maybe sending it to Michael so it is top of mind might be a good next step
16:39:14 <Jennie> ...With the way WCAG 3 is approaching functional needs they are encouraging groups like us to include the smallest number of functional needs
16:39:39 <Jennie> ...I think one question is: if the goal is to limit to the highest level functional needs we may want to think about combining some things
16:39:50 <Jennie> ...Example: attention was focus, redirect, maintain
16:39:58 <Jennie> ...We may want to make that one functional need for now
16:40:15 <Jennie> ...Otherwise if we have a dozen, people may be more likely to skim over long lists
16:40:19 <Jennie> Lisa: I think we did that, Julie
16:40:44 <Jennie> ...The WAI is making a list of functional needs, across disability
16:40:54 <Jennie> ...The original list was a good first draft attempt
16:40:59 <Jennie> ...We worked on getting them improved
16:41:03 <EA> +q
16:41:10 <Jennie> ...We made a table, and the table was the buckets, like attention
16:41:29 <Jennie> ...Then in another column there were all the different things that would fall into the category of attention
16:41:35 <Jennie> ...So I think we were doing that.
16:41:37 <Jennie> q?
16:41:59 <Lisa> ack next
16:43:41 <julierawe> q+
16:44:19 <Jennie> Lisa: Janina posted a message to the list about the upcoming task force
16:44:30 <Jennie> q?
16:44:57 <Jennie> Julie: Clear language is one of the 1st groups testing out the new templates
16:45:16 <Jennie> ...They want us to try to come up with 3 functional needs, or at least the closet number to this as possible
16:45:24 <Jennie> ...And that if this doesn't work for this, they want to know
16:45:32 <Jennie> ...This is what we are discussing in detail on Thursday
16:45:45 <Jennie> ...I looked at what is essential from FAST, and I ended up combining some
16:45:54 <Lisa> q+
16:45:59 <Lisa> ack next
16:46:24 <Jennie> ...Example: if we combined ability to comprehend language related ones, it makes our list shorter
16:46:58 <Jennie> ...The idea is how can we package these things in like a quick summary without overwhelming them with a long list
16:47:08 <Jennie> ...Knowing we can give them more details later in the document
16:47:12 <EA> +1 to combining but understanding that the links to more detail needs to be noted clearly.
16:48:12 <Jennie> Lisa: (displayed the COGA doc Functional needs for cognitive)
16:48:25 <Jennie> ...(reviewed what we had in column 3)
16:48:33 <Jennie> Julie: This is what we will be getting into on Thursday
16:48:51 <Jennie> ...What do we think is the minimum number
16:48:57 <Jennie> ...I think this is an important debate
16:49:09 <Lisa> q?
16:49:15 <Jennie> ...Looking at the way FAST is currently laid out, and how they are trying to map the needs. It is a big question
16:49:41 <Jennie> Lisa: support for language and communication skills? Or something like that
16:49:49 <Jennie> ...There may be primary ones, and secondary ones
16:50:02 <Jennie> ...To clarify, that is not the group working on FAST
16:50:17 <Jennie> ...Our feedback for FAST is fine, it is just what is asked for WCAG 3
16:50:26 <Jennie> ...I have a call with Rachael - I will try to get more feedback
16:51:11 <Lisa> agenda?
16:51:33 <Jennie> Lisa: The assertions survey - do we need to talk about this?
16:51:56 <Jennie> Julie: No. Jeanne said we need to provide that feedback as part of the overall information
16:51:56 <Jennie> Lisa: OK.
16:52:45 <Jennie> ...Do we have an update from AG - anything we need to do for them?
16:52:49 <Jennie> ...Rachael is not on the call
16:53:00 <Jennie> ...Reminder: we are talking about moving the call a half hour earlier
16:53:09 <Jennie> ...Can people - if those that joined late
16:53:18 <Jennie> ...Is it a problem if the call moves a half hour earlier?
16:53:22 <Jennie> Katy: That is fine for me
16:53:31 <Jennie> Aaron: It would be a bit hard for me until May, then ok
16:53:47 <Lisa> ack next
16:54:09 <Jennie> Lisa: Is there any urgent that anyone needs to bring up?
16:54:10 <Jennie> q+
16:54:44 <Jennie> ack Jennie
16:55:04 <Jennie> Jennie: on the IAAP list there was a question about involvement with a cognitive accessibility and architecture workshop
16:55:15 <Jennie> ...I gave her Lisa's email address and the COGA main page
16:55:33 <Jennie> Lisa: If anyone is interested in being involved in the mental health subgroup - please let me know
16:55:48 <Jennie> Jan: I am open to it
16:55:57 <Jennie> ...Do we need to connect with Rashmi?
16:56:03 <Jennie> Lisa: Yes, just connect with Rashmi
16:56:24 <Jennie> ...There meeting is in 2 weeks
16:56:34 <Jennie> ...They may need a mid-week call at some point
16:56:38 <JustineP> I was going to say that my bandwidth is limited right now, as much as I'd love to help facilitate.
16:57:53 <Jennie> rrsagent, make minutes
16:57:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/27-coga-minutes.html Jennie
16:58:00 <Lisa> topic: orentation
16:58:25 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:58:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/27-coga-minutes.html Lisa
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17:16:20 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#
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