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19:35:22 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group
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19:37:41 <Matt_King> Agenda and meeting info at https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/650036c5-df72-4f8e-942f-cd1dcda7df73/20230223T120000
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19:39:41 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Agenda and meeting info
19:39:55 <Matt_King> Agenda available in calendar event:
19:40:00 <Matt_King> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/650036c5-df72-4f8e-942f-cd1dcda7df73/20230223T120000
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20:16:42 <Matt_King> TOPIC: New Meeting Time Survey Reminder
20:17:51 <Matt_King> Survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfVL5VIGbAKe0Er0dk5FQO_jo9XCKT4bnoM5eswkj5p2jgyHw/viewform
20:19:39 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Status of Current Testing
20:20:58 <Matt_King> James: Jon completed nav menu button except for one (13 of 14)
20:21:41 <Matt_King> Jon raised point that he was not aware need to capture output from all commands. Not sure if that is resolved.
20:23:52 <Matt_King> Alysa: I tested modal dialog and it did not seem like results were different with feb version vs december version of JAWS.
20:24:17 <Matt_King> James: we have 2 conflicts with slider. We'll look at those this week.
20:25:26 <Matt_King> We are looking at whether we need to update results for macOS. lasted with 12.x ane current version is 13.3
20:26:24 <Matt_King> So far, it appears that 13.x and 12.x are give same results.
20:27:38 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Future Testing Plan
20:28:21 <Matt_King> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q9PI7wXjfBvnsl2-_56-HEYpGB36JJxjKPOytldeyYI/edit#gid=0
20:28:45 <Sam_Shaw> MK: The PAC team put together this spreadsheet
20:29:45 <Sam_Shaw> JS: The sheet has a row per plan. Status is either draft, candidate, or recommended
20:30:33 <Sam_Shaw> JS: We included the APG URL for each plan, which has the new format for URLs for the APG.
20:34:55 <Sam_Shaw> MK: In terms of planning, the first thing I want to add to this is a column for APG Visitor Data. I'm not totally sure how to sum up the data, because for combo box it would be valuable to combine the visits to the combo box page, and all the combo box example page vists
20:35:13 <Sam_Shaw> MK: We could have two columns 1 for visits to the pattern, 1 for visits to the example
20:35:22 <Sam_Shaw> MK: Any thoughts?
20:35:29 <Sam_Shaw> JS: We are happy to add that column
20:35:37 <Sam_Shaw> JS: When do expect to have that data?
20:36:19 <Sam_Shaw> MK: I need to talk to the Bocoup team, previously Seth was helping with web analytics as it was an inaccessible interface, but I'm not sure who the new person at bocoup will be
20:36:28 <Sam_Shaw> MK: Howard do you know who that would be?
20:36:40 <Sam_Shaw> Howard: It would most likely be Lola, I will ask the team
20:37:17 <Sam_Shaw> MK: I can create an issue where we are documenting how we make our decisions about the plan and perhaps provide a link to this spreadsheet in that issue
20:37:39 <Sam_Shaw> MK: I will create an issue then assign to Lola or Carmen
20:38:05 <Sam_Shaw> MK: James we will need 3 columns: 1 for pattern, pattern visits, example visits
20:39:10 <Sam_Shaw> MK: Example Page Visits, Pattern Name
20:39:56 <Sam_Shaw> JS: We will start adding the Pattern names
20:42:39 <Sam_Shaw> MK: I need to make sure Shawn Henry is okay sharing the APG data before I share this sheet publicly, I will check on this
20:42:56 <Sam_Shaw> MK: Once we have that additional data, the next question is next steps?
20:43:16 <Sam_Shaw> MK: How do we make decisions? We have a number of important factors to consider
20:43:50 <Sam_Shaw> MK: Some plans have no pending changes and a no required updates
20:46:19 <Sam_Shaw> JS: Has pending changes does not mean PAC has done any work yet
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20:50:54 <Sam_Shaw> MK: I think we can float everything with no changes required and none required updates to the top
20:51:12 <Sam_Shaw> MK: These may be good plans to work in Q2
20:51:27 <Sam_Shaw> MK: We could prioritize those plans based on APG visit data
20:52:01 <Sam_Shaw> MK: The next thing would be out after Q2, what do we tackle and what required changes do we perform
20:52:20 <Sam_Shaw> JS: So for next steps, until we have more data to prioritize these, where should we spend our attention
20:52:43 <Sam_Shaw> MK: Anything with an open PR we should take care of
20:52:51 <Sam_Shaw> JS: I agree
20:53:31 <Sam_Shaw> MK: That might get us through the next couple of weeks until we have data
20:53:52 <Sam_Shaw> Present+ Seth Kovanic
20:54:21 <Sam_Shaw> SK: For ones that require additional discussion, should we bump those to the beginning or the end?
20:54:54 <Sam_Shaw> MK: I think we are trying to define the work for Q2, Q3, Q4 and then say everything else will be performed in 2024
20:55:08 <Sam_Shaw> MK: We want to prioritize impact on the community
20:56:10 <Sam_Shaw> SK: One option could be, from an atomic based design, there are components that are used more frequently than others
20:56:42 <Sam_Shaw> MK: We were hoping the visitor data from the APG would help define that
20:57:13 <Sam_Shaw> TOPIC: Web Site Updates
20:57:22 <Sam_Shaw> MK: We are pushing data around!
20:57:37 <Sam_Shaw> MK: James and I will do most of the testing
20:58:01 <Sam_Shaw> MK: We will share our outcomes. I do think we need to perform the testing before moving them out of the Sandbox
20:58:17 <Sam_Shaw> MK: I have started looking at all the data before pushing any buttons
20:58:57 <Sam_Shaw> MK: To Publish. Then confirming the changes on the reports page
21:00:06 <Sam_Shaw> MK: Howard I will try to get our feedback to you before you start work on Monday
21:00:34 <Sam_Shaw> MK: Is that reasonable for you James?
21:00:41 <Sam_Shaw> JS: No but hopefully the start of next week
21:01:20 <Sam_Shaw> MK: Thanks everyone, talk to you next week
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