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14:14:55 <McCool> scribenick: luca_barbato
14:15:12 <McCool> topic: Minutes
14:15:14 <kaz> chair: McCool
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14:15:51 <McCool> mm: this is how to note Michael McCool said this
14:16:12 <kaz> q+
14:17:03 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
14:17:05 <kaz> ack k
14:17:35 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:18:08 <luca_barbato> mm: we agree at the end of the meeting to to update the 27th
14:18:20 <luca_barbato> ... more typos fixed
14:19:30 <luca_barbato> no objections to publish
14:19:36 <luca_barbato> topic: Quick updates
14:19:54 <luca_barbato> ege: Playground update, TM support
14:20:09 <luca_barbato> Validation of the TD using the fully expanded TM
14:20:21 <luca_barbato> To be used in the TestFest
14:20:32 <luca_barbato> mm: Impact on people reporting manually
14:20:48 <luca_barbato> ege: No problems
14:21:01 <kaz> i|we agree|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-pf-minutes.html Feb-8|
14:21:07 <luca_barbato> ege: Problems with stable url though
14:21:18 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:21:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:21:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:21:34 <luca_barbato> mm: Stable url are a problem
14:21:52 <luca_barbato> mm: Experimenting with ip cameras
14:22:07 <luca_barbato> ... Adding rtsp support to camera object
14:22:20 <luca_barbato> q+
14:22:29 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_22.02.2023
14:22:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:22:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:22:44 <luca_barbato> ... rtsp is universal for ip/security camera
14:22:54 <kaz> q+
14:23:02 <Ege> q+
14:23:11 <kaz> meeting: WoT Plugfest/Testing
14:24:09 <kaz> i/Playground update/subtopic: Playground update/
14:24:09 <luca_barbato> lb: RTSP verbs have both mapping to property or action
14:24:09 <kaz> s/Validation/... Validation/
14:24:09 <cris__> q+
14:24:12 <kaz> i/To be used/... To be used/
14:24:26 <kaz> ack luca
14:24:27 <luca_barbato> mm: Offline discussion about protocol binding for it
14:24:38 <luca_barbato> kaz: 2 comments and 1 question
14:25:02 <luca_barbato> ... ip camera as item in the next charter
14:25:10 <kaz> s/and 1 question/or maybe questions/
14:25:17 <luca_barbato> mm: Important for AI
14:25:25 <kaz> s/in/for potential plugfest in/
14:25:39 <luca_barbato> ... input for future work
14:25:55 <luca_barbato> kaz: Can we make a report from the previous testfest
14:26:52 <luca_barbato> mm: It can be future work
14:26:56 <kaz> s/testfest/testfest?/
14:26:58 <luca_barbato> ... for the next agenda
14:27:44 <luca_barbato> ege: I have past experience with streaming as well
14:28:05 <kaz> s/testfest/testfest. Given we've got updated implementation reports, we can summarize the situation with links to those implementation reports at the end of the Testfest page./
14:28:25 <kaz> q+
14:28:29 <kaz> ack k
14:28:30 <kaz> ack e
14:28:31 <kaz> q+
14:29:04 <luca_barbato> mm: RTMP is not fully standarzed
14:29:13 <luca_barbato> lb: it is has a standard though
14:29:28 <luca_barbato> mm: RTSP is more widespread for the IP camera
14:29:38 <kaz> s/standarzed/standardized/
14:29:48 <kaz> s/it is has/it does have/
14:30:05 <luca_barbato> mm: MATTER might focus on HLS/DASH
14:30:15 <kaz> s|mm: this is how to note Michael McCool said this||
14:32:08 <luca_barbato> kaz: It could be a potential topic for the next charter
14:32:21 <luca_barbato> mm: Agreed to make an issue about it
14:32:33 <kaz> s|(MEETING TITLE)|WoT Plugfest/Testing|
14:32:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:32:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:32:50 <luca_barbato> topic: PR & Issues
14:32:58 <luca_barbato> mm: 4 PRs
14:33:27 <luca_barbato> ... fixing things in Discovery for DiD regarding the assertions in the spec
14:33:39 <luca_barbato> ... some results to be updated
14:34:19 <luca_barbato> ... merge it and look at refining in the Discovery meeting later
14:34:44 <luca_barbato> ... another one is fixing the template and updating the results as well
14:35:09 <luca_barbato> jr: Just joined
14:35:10 <kaz> i|fixing things|subtopic: PR 535|
14:35:37 <kaz> i|fixing things|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/535 PR 535 - Add CoAP and UDP-related DNS-SD assertions to Discovery template.csv file|
14:35:53 <kaz> i|another one|subtopic: PR 534|
14:36:13 <kaz> i|another one|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/534 PR 534 - Add manual.csv for DNS-SD CoAP implementation
14:36:14 <luca_barbato> mm: I prefer if JR fixes the PR to concatenate the two csv
14:36:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:36:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:36:53 <kaz> s/about it/about it for the next WoT WG Charter/
14:38:06 <luca_barbato> mm: This one is related to the developer meetup
14:38:41 <luca_barbato> ... leave it open and work on it further with ML
14:38:58 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/533/files
14:39:04 <luca_barbato> ml: Agreed
14:39:08 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
14:39:20 <kaz> s/JR fi/Jan fi/
14:39:39 <luca_barbato> mm: The last one will be fixed soon as well
14:39:46 <kaz> i/This one/subtopic: PR 533/
14:39:51 <luca_barbato> topic: Developer Meeting
14:40:09 <kaz> i|This one|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/533 PR 533 - Update DRAFT-atrisk-explanations.md|
14:40:30 <luca_barbato> mm: Change the meeting data to the week of March 27
14:40:31 <kaz> i|The last one|subtopic: PR 528|
14:40:36 <luca_barbato> s/data/date/
14:40:56 <kaz> i|The last one|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/528 PR 528 - Jan 2023 Result Updates|
14:41:03 <luca_barbato> ... Doodle missing
14:41:12 <luca_barbato> kaz: I will set up one today
14:41:32 <luca_barbato> mm: Week of 20th open for the TestFest
14:42:13 <luca_barbato> ... 2-3 Days of TestFest and focus on Profiles
14:42:22 <kaz> i|Change|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2023.03.DevMtg Developer Meeting logistics|
14:42:31 <luca_barbato> ... include both 20th and 27th in the Doodle
14:42:32 <kaz> s/data to/date to/
14:42:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:42:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:43:16 <luca_barbato> mm: An explanatory document for the At-Risk items
14:43:22 <luca_barbato> ... is needed
14:43:37 <kaz> s/... To be used//
14:43:49 <kaz> s/To be used/... To be used/
14:43:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:43:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:44:19 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1758
14:45:07 <luca_barbato> ege: Update the TD spec section
14:45:27 <luca_barbato> mm: The document should be a stand alone md
14:45:34 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
14:45:58 <luca_barbato> ... objectives for the developer meetup
14:46:07 <kaz> s/1758/1758 wot-thing-description PR 1758 - Updating at risk assertions in the main body/
14:46:10 <luca_barbato> ... one purpose is having more developers
14:46:22 <kaz> q+
14:46:23 <luca_barbato> ... the other is receive feedback from the developers
14:46:37 <Ege> q+
14:46:44 <luca_barbato> ... less focus on promotion and more on gathering feedback
14:46:55 <luca_barbato> ... focus on finalising the current spec
14:46:56 <kaz> qq+ Ege
14:47:15 <luca_barbato> ... the md files should help experienced developers in reporting assertions
14:47:29 <kaz> ack Ege
14:47:29 <Zakim> Ege, you wanted to react to Ege
14:47:36 <kaz> ack ege
14:47:53 <luca_barbato> ege: More about talking with developers than advertising
14:48:38 <luca_barbato> mm: Do not post on twitter but have a targeted list of developers
14:49:02 <luca_barbato> cris: Why are we limiting it to implementor, we could expand to newcomers
14:49:21 <luca_barbato> mm: We have 1 hour for a large amount of items
14:49:35 <luca_barbato> mm: Better to cut down to a narrow scope
14:49:53 <kaz> ack cris
14:50:13 <luca_barbato> ... other meeting for newcomers
14:50:39 <luca_barbato> kaz: we could clarify also the name and scope of the meetup
14:51:09 <luca_barbato> kaz: Testing, or Assertion
14:51:16 <luca_barbato> mm: Assertion Resolution
14:51:29 <kaz> ack k
14:51:45 <kaz> s/we could/agree with McCool, and think we could/
14:51:54 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:51:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:52:01 <luca_barbato> mm: Making a list of developers to invite
14:52:26 <luca_barbato> ... first who already presented their implementations
14:52:40 <kaz> s/Testing, or/maybe Testing Meeting or Assertion Meeting?/
14:52:44 <luca_barbato> ... then STO collaborators
14:52:52 <luca_barbato> ... ECHONET
14:52:59 <kaz> q+
14:53:18 <luca_barbato> ege: Who maintains implementations
14:53:30 <kaz> q-
14:53:44 <luca_barbato> topic: Testfest
14:54:00 <kaz> s/Assertion Resolution/Let's call it "Assertion Resolution Meeting" then./
14:54:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:54:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:54:41 <Ege> q+
14:54:41 <luca_barbato> mm: We target March, let's capture some input
14:55:05 <luca_barbato> ege: We have a CG meetup in March as well, avoid conflict
14:55:27 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/groups/cg/wot/calendar#card-e72912b5-3087-440e-950e-886acbab645d is the conflict
14:55:37 <luca_barbato> s/in March/ 23rd March/
14:56:21 <luca_barbato> mm: Week of the 20th, 2-3 days
14:56:23 <kaz> s/STO/SDO/
14:56:30 <kaz> s/ECHONET/e.g., ECHONET/
14:56:45 <luca_barbato> ... 1h per day
14:57:05 <kaz> q+
14:57:08 <kaz> ack e
14:57:14 <luca_barbato> ... use the Doodle from the devmeeting to avoid conflicts
14:57:27 <luca_barbato> kaz: We need another Doodle as well
14:57:41 <luca_barbato> mm: One for 20th and one for 27th
14:58:34 <kaz> action: Kaz to generate two doodle polls, one for Testfest during the week of March 20 and another for Assertion Resolution Meeting during the week of March 27
14:58:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:58:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:59:08 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:59:09 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:59:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
15:00:00 <kaz> s/We need/Maybe we need yet/
15:00:13 <kaz> s/as well/for this Testfest as well./
15:00:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:00:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
15:00:24 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/60
15:00:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:00:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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15:01:02 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/60||
15:02:31 <kaz> i|PR &|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/60 wot-charter-drafts issue 60 - Streaming|
15:02:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/22-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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