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13:35:07 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:35:10 <janina> agenda?
13:35:18 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
13:35:18 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:35:25 <janina> Chair:  Janina
13:35:25 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:35:25 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:35:28 <janina> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
13:35:30 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:35:33 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:35:36 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:35:38 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
13:35:41 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:35:43 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
13:35:46 <janina> agenda+ be done
13:36:10 <janina>  Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:36:19 <janina> date: 15 feb 2023
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14:42:01 <janina> agenda?
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14:58:36 <janina> present+
15:00:29 <PaulG> present+
15:00:35 <janina> present+
15:00:43 <Roy> present+
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15:02:46 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/
15:03:51 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/
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15:04:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
15:04:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
15:04:48 <Fazio> present+
15:05:06 <matatk_> present+
15:05:09 <janina> https://www.w3.org/groups/tf/rqtf/participants
15:06:32 <matatk> present+
15:06:39 <matatk> present- matatk_
15:07:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
15:07:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:07:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:10:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Noted some errors in APA charter, we are backing off and correcting them.
15:11:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:11:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
15:11:12 <Roy> subtopic: Rechartering Web Machine Learning Working Group
15:11:12 <Roy> - charter: https://w3c.github.io/machine-learning-charter/charter.html
15:12:01 <Roy> https://w3c.github.io/machine-learning-charter/charter.html
15:12:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We do wish to read the Web Machine Learning Working Group Charter closely
15:12:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... particularly in light of the recent AI/ML presentation given by Lionel Wolberger in RQTF
15:13:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... RQTF also took up today work on an ethics statement associated with AI/ML on the web
15:17:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:17:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]
15:18:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up item 6
15:18:08 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
15:18:35 <janina> zakim, drop item 5
15:18:35 <Zakim> agendum 5, new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, dropped
15:18:42 <janina> zakim, drop item 4
15:18:42 <Zakim> agendum 4, A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review, dropped
15:18:48 <janina> zakim, drop item 3
15:18:48 <Zakim> agendum 3, Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues, dropped
15:19:04 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/29
15:20:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> PaulG: People are willing to consider transparency along with multiple algorithms, all good
15:20:08 <matatk> q+
15:20:09 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/44
15:21:10 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/20
15:21:23 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/13
15:25:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> Paul: Of the open issues, recommends hold open #29
15:25:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the other three may be closed/resolved
15:27:02 <janina> ack mat
15:27:14 <janina> q?
15:29:22 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/129 (oldest in review)
15:30:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> [Discussion of how to track]
15:31:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
15:31:28 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
15:32:25 <janina> subtopic: Fingerprinting
15:32:25 <janina> action-2306?
15:32:25 <trackbot> action-2306 -- Fredrik Fischer to Review mitigating browser fingerprinting in web specifications (https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/mitigating_browser_fingerprinting_in_web_specifications) due 2021-09-01 -- due 2021-09-01 -- CLOSED
15:32:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2306
15:32:25 <matatk> scribe+ matatk
15:33:57 <matatk> Fredrik: It's a very neat little note; makes interesting points.
15:33:58 <matatk> ... I think the document is solid and presents its argument, and measures to mittigate fingerprinting, well.
15:34:51 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Feb/0023.html
15:35:48 <matatk> matatk: Note Fredrik's full review is at the URL above.
15:35:54 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Mitigating_Browser_Fingerprinting_in_Web_Specifications
15:36:55 <Fredrik> scribe: Fredrik
15:37:01 <Fredrik> matatk: +1
15:37:06 <Fredrik> janina: +1
15:37:15 <matatk> scribe+ Lionel_Wolberger
15:37:17 <matatk> scribe+ matatk
15:38:25 <janina> subtopic: Automotive Business Group
15:38:32 <janina> AKA AVBG
15:39:04 <janina> action-2303?
15:39:04 <trackbot> action-2303 -- Fredrik Fischer to Review the accessibility section in the viss best practices document, https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/best_practices#accessibility_.28a11y.29 due 09/04/21 -- due 2021-08-11 -- CLOSED
15:39:04 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2303
15:39:28 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:39:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/15-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:40:09 <matatk> zakim, who's here?
15:40:09 <Zakim> Present: matatk, PaulG, janina, Fredrik, Roy, present, mike_beganyi, niklasegger, Lionel_Wolberger, Fazio
15:40:09 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Feb/0022.html
15:40:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see Lionel_Wolberger, matatk, Fredrik, PaulG, Fazio, tzviya, RRSAgent, MichaelC, Roy, jamesn, kirkwood, janina, ada, cwilso, Rachael, tink, slightlyoff, jcraig, ZoeBijl,
15:40:09 <Zakim> ... Zakim, Github, agendabot, trackbot
15:40:09 <matatk> Fredrik: (review is at the link given just above)
15:40:36 <matatk> Fredrik: Note this is a living document. Very broad in ambition.
15:40:56 <matatk> ... There's a very extensive accessibility section, including having liaised with APA.
15:41:20 <matatk> regrets+ Mike_Beganyi
15:42:10 <matatk> Fredrik: They seem to really want to continue to liaise with us, and their work ties into many other groups' work.
15:42:15 <matatk> janina: APA is a good fit for this.
15:42:52 <matatk> Fredrik: I'm not sure what the current state is, from this particular document, as to whether the relevant groups are communicating. Not sure if they are keeping this doc up to date.
15:43:41 <matatk> Fredrik: I tried to find a published document (as opposed to wiki page).
15:44:09 <matatk> ... A related group has a document on TR, but not this one.
15:44:48 <matatk> ... I suggest getting in touch with them again, to see where they stand.
15:44:50 <matatk> matatk: +1
15:45:17 <matatk> Fredrik: Maybe they work on GitHub, or elsewhere; we'd like to review what they're working on, and them likewise.
15:46:18 <matatk> janina: COGA and RQTF would be interested. They weren't thinking of terms in fully automated driving when last we spoke (but in scope would be entertainment etc.) Not sure where we are on smart glass adjusting to lighting conditions etc.
15:46:39 <matatk> ... RQTF is not just about vision impairment; maybe time to ask our representatives from other communities.
15:46:52 <matatk> ... We could ping every x months and see what people have to add.
15:47:05 <matatk> ... Great that they're willing, eager, and want use cases. We can provide.
15:47:45 <matatk> Fazio: Can we engage RQTF on general research? (Not just standards-based.)
15:47:49 <matatk> janina: Sure.
15:47:58 <Fredrik> scribe: Fredrik
15:48:31 <matatk> s/Sure./Sure - if it falls within the scope of APA's charter./
15:48:37 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:48:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/15-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:48:46 <matatk> scribe+ Lionel_Wolberger
15:48:46 <matatk> scribe+ matatk
15:49:16 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:49:16 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
15:49:16 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:49:16 <Zakim> 8. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from janina]
15:49:51 <Fredrik> janina: Work continues. CTAUR seems to be in hand right now.
15:50:09 <Fredrik> janina: Michael is working on an overall document of how we manage in WAI, how much time we give one another, how we track thigns.
15:50:26 <Fredrik> janina: It will be looked at as a group and signed off on and formalized in terms of a set of expectations.
15:50:38 <Fredrik> subtopic: Maturity Model
15:50:51 <Fredrik> Fazio: Looking for people to join us!
15:51:08 <Fredrik> janina: Everyone's participating but no one's showing up. Not unheard of.
15:51:13 <matatk> matatk: Mark Miller, TPGi's Director of Sales, just joined, and will be in the meeting today :-)
15:51:46 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:51:46 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Fredrik
15:51:48 <janina> q?
15:52:08 <Fredrik> zakim, take up item 9
15:52:10 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
15:52:28 <Fredrik> janina: No other business.
15:52:30 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:52:30 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
15:52:31 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:52:31 <Zakim> 8. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from janina]
15:52:43 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:52:43 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Fredrik
15:52:49 <Roy> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:52:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/15-apa-minutes.html Roy
15:53:11 <Fredrik> janina: Thanks everyone! Both Lionel and Matthew and Fredrik for scribing, and everyone else for everything else.
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