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14:14:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:14:27 <trackbot> Date: 13 February 2023
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14:40:42 <lisa> regrets: Jan, Rain, EA Shwan
14:45:44 <lisa> agenda+ Subgroups <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Subgroups>
14:46:05 <lisa> scribe: becca
14:46:39 <lisa> agenda+ actions Updates with task requests and actions <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#
14:46:54 <lisa> agenda+ David swallow's action
14:47:05 <lisa> agenda+ Card sort and qualitative survey
14:47:53 <lisa> agenda+ Ag update
14:48:02 <lisa> clear agenda
14:48:36 <lisa> agenda+ Subgroups and actions Updates with task requests and actions <https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#
14:48:43 <lisa> agenda+ Ag update
14:48:49 <lisa> agenda+ David swallow's action
14:48:54 <lisa> agenda+ Card sort and qualitative survey
14:52:24 <lisa> agenda+ Trigers issue paper https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eKNrofGubnpQE6mO-vxmI-1MW5nA2LDj0LxebREPRGA/edit?resourcekey#gid=1686096268
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15:53:53 <Lisa> agenda?
15:54:13 <Lisa> scribe: Becca
15:57:33 <Lisa> agenda+ RTQF process file:///C:/Users/lisas/Downloads/RQTF-research-process.html
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16:04:40 <Becca_Monteleone> Rashmi: Mental health subgroup - rashmi working on issue paper on trigger warnings. Reviewing papers assigned to members and waiting for those to be completed
16:05:16 <Becca_Monteleone> Rashmi: MH WG working on analysis document.
16:06:43 <Becca_Monteleone> Rashmi: will send email to list to schedule some additional meetings.
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16:07:45 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Structure review subgroup meeting on Thursday this week
16:09:47 <Becca_Monteleone> Rain: Kiki sent out card sort for structure review. Preliminary results that will be discussed in detail in subgroup meeting. There are still some divergences in where patterns fit. For example, "breaking media into chunks," "supporting simplification," etc. that have very low agreement even within the subgroup. Working to bring recommendations to the group for new categorizations.
16:10:01 <Lisa> close item 4
16:11:09 <Becca_Monteleone> Rain: Talita (qualitative researcher) is working on ethics/legal approvals for the qualitative study before recruitement can begin. This is a follow up to survey with a much lower number of respondents giving interviews.
16:12:05 <Becca_Monteleone> Rain: Structure review will provide examples of structures and layouts that will be included in qualitative study
16:12:47 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Re; previous conversation, we agreed to leave it to Kiki to address our questions/concerns as would be most appropriate.
16:13:54 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Kiki had said she would send a revised card sort that included 4 new proposed categories to see if it addressed the problem of divergences in previous card sorts. Has that moved forward?
16:14:34 <Becca_Monteleone> Rain: Yes, that is the version that still has a number of divergences. Results will be prepared for subgroup meeting on Thursday to address those patterns that there is no agreement.
16:15:29 <Lisa> https://ows.io/os/q5x0ci0o
16:19:10 <Becca_Monteleone> Julie: Clear Language met on Thursday. Rachael walked us through types of test for WCAG 3. Clear Language and one other group will be using this document to map out how we would create the clear language section of WCAG 3.
16:19:58 <Becca_Monteleone> Julie: aiming for breadth and then at least 1 test in depth. Need to complete in 8-10 weeks. Will be sharing out more info soon to schedule more meetings. Will be meeting with Jean Spellman on how to write for WCAG 3
16:20:12 <Lisa> close item 3
16:20:35 <Becca_Monteleone> Julie: new guidance includes the assertion doc - asking for our feedback on that rolled into this larger project.
16:21:30 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: Test plan - Shawn and Jennie are meeting this afternoon to discuss the impacts of the clear language meeting last week and will have updates soon.
16:23:01 <Becca_Monteleone> Becca: research plan and strategy - will be preparing notes on issue papers asap. Lisa will send Bots paper
16:23:34 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: Images subgroup needed to reschedule. Hope to have updates in next 2 weeks.
16:25:06 <Lisa> Q+
16:25:38 <Becca_Monteleone> Rain: community group has been discussing how best to collect feedback from larger community. Next meeting is March 2. Will ask chairs when COGA can expect that feedback.
16:26:43 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: community group and COGA members can all contribute to this document on suggestions for next version of Making Content Usable: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CeqiSy3tVDoeBzCG8LpkyFT1fvugGk86JuT6NvfSiAA/edit#heading=h.1kru9t5f0fpj
16:26:55 <Lisa> ack next
16:27:02 <Lisa> ack next
16:28:17 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: reviewed info on collaboration tool github post. Some of the links in that response are behind permissions and others are open.
16:28:53 <kirkwood> present+
16:28:53 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: question on workflow: in google, do we have different spaces for docs that are public vs. working group only vs. community group? People may have difficulties accessing our documents
16:30:10 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: When storing documents, how are we determining permissions
16:30:30 <Lisa> agenda+ different spaces for docs that are public vs. working group only vs. community group
16:30:38 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Generally, Lisa makes google documents public. But we will need to discuss further. Added to agenda
16:31:09 <Rachael> q+
16:31:25 <Lisa> ack next
16:31:33 <Rachael> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Main_Page#RQTF_Research_Methods_and_Strategies
16:32:18 <Becca_Monteleone> Research Task Force/APA made request for us to review document on research process
16:33:30 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: COGA needs to make concrete recommendations to RQTF research process to make them more likely to address COGA user needs. Lisa will share their process for COGA comment
16:34:15 <Lisa> ack next
16:34:44 <Lisa> next item
16:34:51 <Lisa> close item 2
16:38:05 <rashmi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19RdKrd2aUJkZcm9FmIOvZ2jfn9JgYpFcqT5mubyQUAQ/edit#
16:40:17 <Becca_Monteleone> Rashmi: issue paper on personalization settings to remove/hide trigger warnings. Current research suggests that TW are not as useful as suggested in current context. TW increase anticipatory anxiety about subject.
16:42:34 <Becca_Monteleone> Rashmi: Academic research suggests that TW are also not helpful to users with PTSD. Suggest providing customization that allows users to turn off trigger warnings
16:42:46 <Jennie> q+
16:43:03 <Lisa> ack next
16:43:06 <Becca_Monteleone> Rashmi: requesting feedback from COGA about this conclusion
16:43:17 <kirkwood> well done!
16:43:18 <Lisa> q+
16:44:06 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: Was there a consideration for people who do/don't want the trigger warnings but also have memory-related disabilities? Should users be asked to review their settings periodically?
16:44:11 <kirkwood> fantastic question
16:44:49 <Becca_Monteleone> Rashmi: will be developing use cases, so these examples are useful
16:45:00 <Jennie> Thanks Rashmi!
16:46:37 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: global vs. local settings - either don't show the content at all (completely missing) vs. brief summary/link
16:47:26 <Jennie> q+
16:47:47 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Adapt can make a registery of triggers. But some triggers are specific/unexpected/uncommon. How do we account for those?
16:47:55 <Lisa> ack next
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16:49:04 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: What about reframing from "trigger" to some broader implication? For example, some people with physical disabilities have high startle responses to loud noises. Not necessarily a trigger
16:49:40 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: to-do list included in draft document
16:50:16 <Jennie> q+
16:50:46 <Lisa> ack next
16:52:02 <Becca_Monteleone> Jennie: for intervention - would the solution be a warning? Or would it be something implementable. For example, for loud noises, could a user have an upper limit set on their audio settings?
16:53:11 <kirkwood> where can we see the Adapt information being referred to?
16:53:48 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: In these settings for mental health, we might want to build in some additional settings - could there be settings on frequency of appearance in topics?
16:54:06 <kirkwood> ah W3C Adapt TF rather than personlization… got it
16:54:13 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Adapt task force used to be called personalization.
16:54:15 <rashmi> q+
16:54:48 <Lisa> ack next
16:55:05 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:55:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/13-coga-minutes.html Lisa
16:55:14 <kirkwood> think this might be a heavier lift than we realize?
16:57:11 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19RdKrd2aUJkZcm9FmIOvZ2jfn9JgYpFcqT5mubyQUAQ/edit#
16:58:01 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: will make Adapt aware of this issue paper
16:58:23 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:58:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/13-coga-minutes.html Lisa
17:00:11 <julierawe> Thank you, Rashmi—very interesting!
17:00:34 <julierawe> And thank you, Lisa!
17:00:34 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Will stay on after call on Thursday to give people an overview of managing Zakim for subgroups