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14:11:29 <kaz> meeting: WoT Plugfest/Testing
14:11:47 <cris__> topic: Agenda
14:12:02 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:12:04 <cris__> mm: minutes, dev meeting and finally testfest logistics
14:12:08 <cris__> topic: Minutes
14:12:14 <kaz> i/minutes/scribenick: cris__/
14:12:26 <cris__> mm: mentioned playground fixes and new features
14:12:35 <kaz> i|mention|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/02/01-wot-pf-minutes.html Feb-1|
14:13:15 <cris__> ... we talked about developer meeting for a lot of time
14:13:20 <cris__> .... created some directories
14:13:37 <cris__> ... we have some work to do
14:13:47 <kaz> chair: McCool
14:13:47 <cris__> ... no other comments
14:14:15 <cris__> ... just one minor thing: can you use mailing list instead of ML
14:14:23 <cris__> ... makes things clearer
14:14:44 <cris__> ... Takenak is spelled wrong
14:15:28 <cris__> topic: developer meeting
14:15:36 <cris__> mc: do we have a doodle pool?
14:15:38 <cris__> kaz: not yet
14:16:07 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_08.02.2023
14:16:20 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:16:22 <cris__> mm: any date in mind?
14:16:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:16:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:16:34 <Ege> q+
14:17:10 <kaz> ack e
14:17:47 <cris__> mc: let start from a concrete proposal and then we can tune it
14:18:15 <cris__> ... Monday at 9-10 ? with an evening slot in US (which is morning slot in JP)
14:18:32 <kaz> i|do we have|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2023.03.DevMtg 2023.03.DevMtg
14:18:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:18:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:18:47 <cris__> ... testfests is more for active WoT members
14:19:08 <cris__> ... dev call is more about read manual assertions and get feedback
14:19:17 <kaz> q+
14:19:38 <cris__> ... 9-10 for west cost is not that great
14:19:53 <cris__> ... we can do at 10 AM on Thursday
14:20:12 <cris__> ... good for east-cost and europe but not that great for japan
14:20:20 <cris__> ... but we have a dedicated event for that
14:20:52 <cris__> kaz: are we ok with cancelling the ordinary calls during that week?
14:20:59 <cris__> mc: we can
14:21:29 <cris__> ... I'm worried for the low attendance from US
14:21:38 <cris__> ... maybe we should find better slots
14:22:08 <cris__> kaz: if we cancel regular calls we are flexible and generate two doodle pools
14:22:23 <cris__> mc: we can sacrifice discovery and security
14:22:56 <Ege> q+
14:23:02 <kaz> ack k
14:23:13 <cris__> mc: do we people for china?
14:23:14 <kaz> ack e
14:23:17 <cris__> ege: actually yes
14:24:04 <cris__> mc: let's keep the japan time slot resonable for Asia
14:26:56 <cris__> mc: any conflict for the week of 27th ?
14:27:14 <cris__> kaz: do we need testfest for profile?
14:27:35 <cris__> mc: we still need to resolve a bunch of at risk items
14:27:45 <cris__> ... I have some implementations that could fill some of the gaps
14:28:00 <cris__> ... testfest helps to focus people on the implementation work
14:28:16 <cris__> kaz: we really need to organize a test event for a whole week?
14:28:34 <cris__> mc: is the testfest the best way to cover the implementation report?
14:29:52 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
14:30:49 <cris__> kaz: we were very busy with checking the data itself during the testfest more than implementation
14:31:03 <cris__> ... and dubugging the tools
14:31:17 <Ege> q+
14:31:29 <cris__> ... maybe it is better to have an async phase where people prepare stuff for the testfest
14:31:46 <cris__> mc: the more work people do before the testfest the better
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14:32:11 <kaz> ack e
14:32:14 <cris__> ege: it should clear how to submit data
14:32:21 <cris__> ... and also create dealines
14:32:34 <cris__> s/dealines/deadlines/
14:32:37 <kaz> s/should/should be/
14:32:56 <cris__> ... maybe for the next charter I prefer to do less testfests
14:33:20 <cris__> mc: it could be a argument for not doing this one, but we need to cover the gaps
14:33:28 <kaz> s/to do/doing/
14:33:32 <cris__> ege: no I mean less testfests but more productive
14:33:40 <kaz> q+
14:34:22 <cris__> kaz: we should focus on how to better organize the work
14:34:25 <cris__> mc: I agree
14:34:47 <cris__> ... also for the next charter I won't have that much bandwidth
14:35:09 <Ege> +1 to find a dedicated person
14:35:30 <Ege> I would also volunteer but I will not have bandwidth in the next charter either
14:36:47 <cris__> mc: let's try to set the Developer meeting for the week of the 27th
14:37:17 <cris__> kaz: if possible it is better to have the Developer meeting first and then test fest
14:37:45 <cris__> mc: ok it's an alternative proposal but it would overlaps with the Japanese Developer meeting
14:37:52 <cris__> ... but it is only one day
14:38:11 <cris__> kaz: in any case let's propose it in the doodle pool
14:40:34 <cris__> mc: we got some contribution from Michael lagally, just a draft but it needs clean up
14:40:41 <cris__> ... we have something from TD too
14:40:43 <kaz> q+
14:40:46 <cris__> ... no new results
14:41:06 <cris__> ... will create a folder for Discovery
14:41:15 <cris__> kaz: we can use the md file to clarify the intention
14:41:41 <kaz> ack k
14:41:42 <cris__> ... but for the developer meeting the goal is to explain the intentions of each assertions.
14:42:00 <cris__> mc: the result we are looking for is to resolve al many at risk items as possible
14:42:10 <cris__> ... we don't have implementers or reporting to some of them
14:42:23 <cris__> s/or/that are/
14:43:53 <cris__> ege: I can work on the Thing Description
14:44:05 <kaz> s/intentions of each assertions./intentions of each assertions. So we should concentrate on that clarification./
14:46:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:46:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:46:49 <kaz> s/test fest/testfest/
14:48:00 <kaz> s/we can use the md file to clarify the intention/We can use the content of the DRAFT-atrisk-explanations.md file as the starting point/
14:48:18 <cris__> topic: AoB?
14:48:32 <cris__> ege: just a small thing we push a new version of the TD playground
14:48:43 <cris__> ... it should be stable for the upcoming testfests
14:48:53 <cris__> mc: I have a PR that I need to fix
14:49:40 <cris__> ... I see no new pr
14:49:45 <kaz> s/for the developer meeting the goal/the goal of the developer meeting/
14:49:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:49:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:49:55 <cris__> ... but you can add your results
14:50:14 <cris__> ege: small thing we added TM based validation to the playground
14:50:30 <cris__> ... you may see some errors if your using a fake TM
14:50:43 <cris__> ... in that case you should enable a flag
14:50:55 <cris__> mc: can you add some explanation in a readme?
14:51:14 <Ege> https://github.com/thingweb/thingweb-playground/blob/master/packages/cli/index.js#L45
14:52:56 <kaz> q+
14:53:43 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1758
14:54:47 <Ege> it is now applied to the batchValidation instead of a readme
14:55:07 <kaz> (McCool has added clarification as a comment to the batchValidation.sh)
14:55:27 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:55:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:55:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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