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13:00:21 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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13:04:03 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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13:04:13 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
13:04:26 <kaz> present+ Luca_Barbato
13:04:42 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#8_February_2023
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13:05:01 <kaz> scribenick: dape
13:05:16 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:05:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:05:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
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13:05:31 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Michael_Koster
13:05:32 <dape> TOPIC: Guests, New Members, and Invited Experts
13:05:46 <dape> SK: New member, Luca Barbato from Luminem
13:05:47 <kaz> chair: Sebastian/McCool
13:05:54 <dape> ... warm welcome
13:06:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:06:16 <cris_> welcome Luca! :) :)
13:06:57 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura, Michael_Lagally
13:06:58 <dape> LB: Luminem is involved in European project, Horizon 2030
13:06:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:07:25 <Ege> https://www.sifis-home.eu/
13:07:30 <luca_barbato> sifis-home.eu
13:08:11 <dape> ... Sifis main idea: as much as you can trust the device you can trust the user
13:08:29 <dape> ... we use self-describing concept from TD
13:08:45 <dape> ... Luminem implements WoT in Rust
13:10:22 <dape> ... e.g., start oven at 3am, .. most likely a problem or at least exceptional
13:11:11 <dape> ... would like to provide back feedback we collected over time
13:11:25 <dape> q?
13:11:25 <sebastian> q?
13:11:41 <luca_barbato> https://github.com/wot-rust for those curious
13:12:06 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes
13:12:21 <dape> -> Feb-1 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/02/01-wot-minutes.html
13:12:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:12:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:12:45 <dape> <SK goes over minutes>
13:14:02 <sebastian> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/dPjWVg4a/vote
13:14:11 <dape> SK: Doodle for charter meetings, see link above
13:15:46 <dape> SK: Minutes look good. Any objections?
13:15:58 <dape> -> none -> minutes approved
13:16:08 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
13:16:16 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Next Use Cases
13:16:25 <dape> SK: Feb 14 ?
13:16:28 <kaz> s/Use Cases/Use Cases call/
13:16:30 <dape> MMC: Yes, call took place
13:16:48 <kaz> q?
13:16:50 <dape> ... need to talk whether next week there will be a use-case call
13:17:05 <dape> ... suggest to cancel and focus on charter discussions
13:17:22 <dape> ML: alternative: use use-cases slot for policy ...
13:17:35 <kaz> i|need to|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/02/07-wot-uc-minutes.html Feb-7 Use Cases minutes|
13:17:43 <kaz> q+
13:18:15 <dape> MMC: okay.. let's discuss it in this slot
13:18:32 <dape> ... should cancel other calls.. besides Security
13:19:00 <dape> ML: we could/should have profile call ... unless there is a conflict
13:19:20 <dape> MMC: Suggest to cancel everything expect Security and Profile
13:19:30 <kaz> q?
13:19:45 <Ege> q+
13:19:54 <dape> ... please say if there is a VERY good reason
13:19:58 <dape> q?
13:20:10 <dape> EK: I would prefer to have binding call
13:20:29 <kaz> ack e
13:20:39 <dape> ... 1st or 2nd hour.. depends on today's discussion
13:21:02 <dape> Kaz: Agree with cancelling ... and concentrate on charter discussions
13:21:14 <McCool_> q+
13:21:22 <dape> ... w.r.t. use-case, I think this is important for charter discussions
13:21:35 <dape> ... no matter in which slot it takes place
13:22:29 <dape> MMC: we should organize the logistics
13:23:21 <kaz> ack k
13:23:29 <dape> Kaz: w.r.t. policy, not sure about use-case specific policy. I think it should be a group-wide discussion.
13:23:34 <kaz> ack m
13:23:42 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Marketing
13:23:44 <Ege> q+
13:23:45 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/357
13:23:58 <dape> SK: Special marketing meeting Feb 28
13:24:15 <dape> ... about  the policy and collaboration with CGs
13:24:45 <dape> SUPTOPIC: New Wiki for Profile TF
13:24:52 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf
13:25:05 <kaz> s/WebConf/WebConf WoT Profile wiki/
13:25:06 <dape> ML: at the moment is copy of Arch wiki
13:25:15 <dape> ... we are going to clean that up
13:25:25 <kaz> s/is copy/is mostly a copy/
13:25:27 <kaz> q?
13:25:29 <kaz> ack e
13:25:37 <dape> ... separate wikis between Arch and Profile make more sense
13:25:52 <dape> MMC: Need to update also webpage etc
13:26:05 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Use Case Requirements
13:26:17 <dape> SK: There is a template and geolocation PR
13:26:25 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/215
13:26:36 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/214
13:26:56 <kaz> s/215/215 wot-usecases PR 215 - Update requirements-template.md/
13:27:07 <dape> MMC: geolocation seems good content already
13:27:16 <dape> ... plan to clean-up PR next week
13:27:18 <kaz> s/214/214 wot-usecases PR 214 - Create geolocation-requirements.md/
13:27:19 <kaz> q+
13:27:22 <dape> ... please provide comments on PR
13:28:10 <dape> Kaz: Geolocation is very important information
13:28:32 <dape> ... should think about it as additional requirement
13:28:34 <kaz> ack k
13:28:51 <kaz> s/information/information for various use cases/
13:29:15 <dape> MMC: need to decide which requirements we target in next charter
13:29:47 <dape> ... in some cases geolocation is very important.. for other use-cases it is required
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13:30:17 <dape> s/for other use-cases it is required/for other use-cases it is nice to have
13:30:27 <kaz> q?
13:30:32 <kaz> q+ mlagally
13:30:36 <kaz> ack ml
13:30:41 <dape> ML: That's why we need requirement document
13:31:23 <kaz> q+
13:31:52 <dape> MMC: we need to do some analysis to do this properly
13:32:06 <dape> Kaz: Agree with MMC
13:32:25 <dape> ... compatibility, grouping etc
13:32:36 <dape> ... starting with concrete use-case
13:32:47 <dape> SUBTOPIC: meeting between Sebastian and PLH
13:32:48 <kaz> s/use-case/use cases/
13:33:05 <dape> SK: PLH is interim CEO
13:33:19 <kaz> s/PLH is interim CEO/taled with PLH/
13:33:26 <kaz> s/taled/talked/
13:33:42 <kaz> q+
13:33:45 <dape> SK: OPC binding makes progress
13:34:10 <dape> ... asked for opinion from W3C w.r.t Mocca
13:34:20 <kaz> s/Mocca/MOCA/
13:34:27 <dape> ... PLH will check with Ralph
13:34:40 <dape> ... PLH will get back to use about MOCA
13:34:53 <dape> ... shared that OPC is open to include policy statements
13:35:05 <dape> ... we need concrete request
13:35:26 <kaz> qq+ mlagally
13:35:30 <kaz> q- ml
13:35:37 <McCool_> q+
13:35:41 <dape> ML: collaboration issue might be IPR
13:36:08 <dape> SK: W3C might need to check
13:36:13 <kaz> s/might be IPR/might cause an IPR issue/
13:36:30 <dape> ML: e.g., OPC binding and whether it is free
13:36:42 <dape> SK: MOCA states that binding is license free etc
13:36:58 <dape> ML: Good to know
13:36:59 <kaz> q?
13:37:16 <dape> Kaz: We need to clarify our expectation
13:37:32 <dape> ... as group note.. or as REC track etc
13:37:46 <dape> SK: we plan to discuss this in TD/binding call
13:38:03 <dape> ... hence, please join this meeting
13:38:06 <kaz> s/We need/That's why we as the whole WoT WG need/
13:38:28 <kaz> s/track etc/track, or what ever/
13:38:32 <kaz> q?
13:38:34 <kaz> ack k
13:38:36 <kaz> ack m
13:38:45 <dape> MMC: discussion is exactly about this policy
13:39:07 <kaz> s/discuss this/discuss related topic on how to structure the WoT Binding Templates spec/
13:39:08 <dape> ... at the moment for bindings we use notes
13:39:18 <dape> ... not sure if this is the right way forward
13:39:32 <kaz> q?
13:39:38 <McCool_> ack m
13:39:47 <dape> TOPIC: Planning
13:39:56 <dape> SUBTOPIC: WoT Workshop in 2024?
13:40:20 <dape> SK: We are thinking about an event in 2024, similar to the one in Munich
13:40:32 <dape> ... Siemens plans to sponsor that
13:40:39 <kaz> q+
13:40:40 <dape> ... more details should come in March
13:41:13 <dape> ... e.g., context of digital twin, edge computing, ..
13:41:23 <dape> ... please let us know your ideas/input
13:41:43 <dape> Kaz: should first concentrate on spec work and charter discussion
13:41:58 <dape> ... need ideas/topics
13:42:09 <kaz> ack k
13:42:12 <dape> SK: Correct, we are just loud thinking
13:42:20 <McCool_> q+
13:42:28 <dape> ... we just need 1 year in advance to properly organize it
13:42:47 <dape> MMC: 2 year charter.. maybe we should look at 2025
13:43:16 <dape> ... traveling might be still cumbersome
13:43:56 <dape> SK: Internal meetings within Siemens in March
13:43:56 <McCool_> mm: actually, it's about 2024, that might be ok
13:44:02 <McCool_> q+
13:44:06 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Testfest
13:44:16 <dape> SK: Another Testfest during current (extended) charter? March?
13:44:27 <dape> MMC: developer meeting planned for March
13:44:36 <dape> ... too many meeting might conflict
13:44:48 <dape> ... for Profile we need testing ...
13:45:14 <dape> ... maybe just have short test-calls with Profile docus
13:45:22 <dape> s/docus/focus
13:45:37 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Developer Meeting
13:45:48 <dape> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2023.03.DevMtg
13:46:24 <kaz> q+ mlagally
13:46:29 <kaz> ack mc
13:46:30 <dape> ML: March seems to be a good time-slot for Profile testing
13:46:34 <kaz> ack ml
13:46:47 <kaz> s/DevMtg/DevMtg Dev Meeting/
13:46:50 <dape> MMC: March seems to much happening
13:47:07 <dape> ML: Does it make to combine these meetings?
13:47:20 <dape> s/Does it make/Does it make sense
13:47:39 <kaz> q+
13:47:40 <dape> MMC: TestFest for existing implements
13:47:48 <dape> MMC: Developer for new people
13:47:54 <dape> ... different audience
13:48:13 <kaz> q-
13:48:18 <dape> s/implements/implementors
13:48:35 <dape> MMC: Okay, let have this discussion in testing call
13:48:39 <dape> SK: +1
13:48:50 <dape> TOPIC: Publications progress check
13:49:04 <dape> SK: Skip due to time constraints today
13:49:14 <dape> TOPIC: WG Charter
13:49:19 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts
13:49:39 <dape> MMC: Content moved.. comments could not be moved
13:49:48 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
13:49:58 <dape> ... another PR exists for logistics
13:50:05 <kaz> s/drafts/drafts new GitHub repo for the draft WG Charter/
13:50:22 <kaz> q?
13:50:30 <dape> ... plan to archive old wiki agendas
13:50:39 <kaz> q+
13:50:47 <sebastian> provide your comments on the agenda here: https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/12
13:51:21 <dape> MMC: I plan to merge these PRs soon to avoid conflicts
13:51:33 <dape> ... can update the content later
13:51:44 <dape> Kaz: There are already many conflicts
13:51:53 <dape> ... I resolved the conflicts
13:52:07 <dape> MMC: Okay.. then let's agree to merge soon
13:52:11 <kaz> s/many conflicts/many conflicts on the old wot repo/
13:52:20 <kaz> s/I/but I/
13:52:34 <dape> MMC: We need to figure out time/date for charter meeting
13:52:50 <dape> -> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/dPjWVg4a/vote
13:52:54 <kaz> s/resolved the conflicts/'ve already resolved all those conflicts on the new wot-charter-drafts repo./
13:53:12 <kaz> s/vote/vote Doodle for the 2nd WG Charter meeting/
13:53:48 <dape> CA: I am on vacation these days.. please go ahead
13:54:08 <dape> MMC: 2 hours a day is max
13:54:40 <dape> MMC: We need to pick some slots soon
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13:55:14 <kaz> q+
13:56:23 <dape> ... first 2 slots on Monday
13:56:34 <dape> ... replace main/testing call on Wed
13:56:48 <dape> ... on Tuesday use marketing/use-case slots
13:57:13 <dape> ML: Suggest Mon, Tue and Thursday
13:57:35 <kaz> s/Monday/Monday (11:00-13:00 UTC)/
13:58:02 <kaz> s/Wed/Wednesday (13:00-15:00 UTC)
13:58:32 <kaz> s/case slots/case slots (12:00-14:00 UTC)/
14:00:22 <dape> Kaz: skipping Wednesday?
14:00:39 <dape> MMC: We have 4 days, Mon, Tue, Wed, and Thu
14:00:43 <dape> ... at max
14:02:01 <dape> SK: Proposed meetings:      Monday 1-3pm CET (11:00-13:00 UTC)     Thesday 1-3pm CET (11:00-13:00 UTC)     Wednesday 2-4pm CET (12:00-14:00 UTC)     Thursday 12-2pm CET (10:00-12:00 UTC)
14:02:27 <dape> MMC: I will clean-up the logistics and send out emails
14:02:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:03:17 <dape> ..for agenda topics please comment on PR
14:03:47 <dape> [adjourned]
14:04:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:06:56 <kaz> i|adj|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/12 See also wot-charter-drafts PR 12 - Logistics for Next Charter|
14:06:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:06:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
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