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14:18:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
14:18:23 <trackbot> Date: 08 February 2023
14:18:45 <matatk> Chair:  Matthew
14:18:45 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
14:18:45 <matatk> agenda+ APA Rechartering
14:18:45 <matatk> agenda+ Moving from Tracker to GitHub
14:18:45 <matatk> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
14:18:45 <matatk> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
14:18:45 <matatk> agenda+ New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
14:18:48 <matatk> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
14:18:51 <matatk> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
14:18:53 <matatk> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
14:18:56 <matatk> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
14:18:58 <matatk> agenda+ Other Business
14:19:09 <matatk> agenda+ Be done
14:19:14 <matatk> present+
14:59:27 <PaulG> present+
15:00:29 <janina> present+
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15:02:31 <matatk> agenda?
15:02:48 <Fredrik> scribe: Fredrik
15:03:08 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:03:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
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15:03:35 <matatk> https://www.tpgi.com/webinar-february-14-at-12pm-et-exploring-new-accessibility-frontiers-with-tpgi-and-the-w3c/
15:04:02 <Fredrik> matatk: A general announcement that Matthew is giving a webinar next week for TPGI called Exploring New A11y Frontiers, which is going to be about some of the stuff we've been working on since TPAC.
15:04:10 <Fredrik> matatk: Let people know of it.
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15:04:37 <mike_beganyi> present+
15:04:39 <Fredrik> matatk: It's stuff people haven't heard of usually, W3C deep cuts.
15:04:49 <Fredrik> matatk: Symbols, CTAUR, WoT, and so forth.
15:05:56 <Fredrik> janina: We have withdrawn the CFC on the charter. There was a technical glitch. There were substantive misses in the CFC, so we'll have to restart that process, probably by this time next week.
15:06:15 <Fredrik> janina: We have a new TF! Maturity Model is now its new TF! Join if you would, one and all.
15:06:39 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:06:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- APA Rechartering -- taken up [from matatk]
15:06:44 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:06:46 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:06:46 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:47 <Zakim> 3. Moving from Tracker to GitHub [from matatk]
15:06:47 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:06:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Moving from Tracker to GitHub -- taken up [from matatk]
15:07:48 <Fredrik> matatk: A reminder: We're moving from Tracker to Github and Tracker will be frozen at some point forever. At that point, your remaining acitons will be there forever until the end of entropy. Close things, do things, whatever. Just take care of them.
15:08:03 <Fredrik> matatk: If you have a11y concerns about Github and trackingthings, just let us know or ask around in your TFs.
15:08:40 <Fredrik> matatk: We are aware on some concerns we're working on in the background. Several wAI groups have already made the switch, so hopefully we will be able to, too, without too much ado.
15:08:46 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:08:46 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]
15:08:58 <Fredrik> Roy: One new charter!
15:09:00 <Roy> subtopic: Rechartering Web Machine Learning Working Group
15:09:00 <Roy> - charter: https://w3c.github.io/machine-learning-charter/charter.html
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15:09:25 <matatk> q+
15:09:32 <Fredrik> Roy: Web ML learnign working grou.
15:09:46 <Fredrik> Roy: Any interest in liaising with them?
15:09:52 <niklasegger> present+
15:10:12 <Fredrik> matatk: This should porobably be run by RQTF, but there is the issue of ethical considerations which we want to be represented in.
15:10:20 <matatk> ack me
15:10:31 <Fredrik> matatk: We'd want to be a bit cautious with this group.
15:10:48 <Fredrik> Roy: It's the Web Machine Learnign Working Group.
15:11:14 <Fredrik> janina: There are multiple ways already identified that ML can get things wrong if it has an inadequate data set. Harms can result.
15:11:48 <Fredrik> matatk: I wil just mention the Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct is referenced, but that ethics work we were in volved in is not.
15:12:04 <Fredrik> janina: We may want to break out some a11y considerations, too. There are too many gap opportunities.
15:12:33 <Fredrik> matatk: We may want to find things out to point them to between out.Unless someone in the group has some excellent resources to point to in this topic.
15:12:45 <Fredrik> janina: Jutta Treveranus and Jason White are both authorities in this space.
15:13:01 <Fredrik> Roy: That's all for this week.
15:13:03 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:13:03 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
15:13:12 <Roy> subtopic: Compute Pressure API
15:13:12 <Roy> -   issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/53
15:13:12 <Roy> -   spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/compute-pressure/
15:13:12 <Roy> -   tracked: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Compute_Pressure_Level_1
15:13:28 <Fredrik> Roy: There is one issue from Compute Pressure API which we already looked at
15:14:31 <Fredrik> Fredrik: Working on that score.
15:15:27 <Fredrik> Fredrik> My Github name is fredrika11y
15:16:45 <Fredrik> matatk: Right, So there is one issue with the issue tracking. People should be able to assign issues to other people in order to be able to track issues, so to speak. We'll look into it.
15:16:52 <Fredrik> Fredrik: Making a note of the issue at hand.
15:16:55 <Fredrik> Roy: WCAG 2.2?
15:17:05 <Fredrik> matatk: Already on it. I'll continue.
15:17:11 <Fredrik> zkaim, next item
15:17:24 <Fredrik> zakim , next item
15:17:39 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:17:39 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
15:17:40 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:17:40 <Zakim> 6. New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from matatk]
15:17:41 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:17:41 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- New on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from matatk]
15:17:50 <Roy> s/WCAG 2.2?/WCAG 2.2 due 24th this month
15:17:55 <Fredrik> Roy: Nothing new here.
15:18:03 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:18:03 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
15:18:04 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:18:04 <Zakim> 7. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from matatk]
15:18:07 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:18:07 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]
15:18:20 <Roy> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
15:18:49 <Fredrik> Roy: There are some CSS issues, from last year. Could you, Paul, look at those?
15:19:50 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/29 is completed
15:20:42 <Fredrik> matatk: Would you, Paul, tell us which needs looking at and we can get back to this?
15:21:39 <Fredrik> Roy: My questiosn are answered.
15:21:51 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:21:51 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
15:22:05 <Fredrik> PaulG: Las tweek's meeting didn\t have any new news.
15:22:13 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:22:13 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
15:22:14 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:22:14 <Zakim> 9. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from matatk]
15:22:15 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:22:16 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
15:22:30 <matatk> subtopic: Maturity Model
15:22:35 <Fredrik> subtopic: Maturity Model
15:22:39 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/
15:22:45 <Fredrik> matatk: MM is a TF!
15:23:05 <Fredrik> matatk: Very exciting work, still early stages, possible for people to get in and shape the work from the ground floor as they say.
15:23:31 <Fredrik> subtopic: Pronunciation
15:24:34 <Fredrik> PaulG: We've setled on language for our communication to AT vendors. There will be communication forthcoming to solicit the AT vendor's preferences on our options for whether or not we're trying to promote SSML or an attribute model where we are injecting SSML information into HTML with attributes.
15:25:09 <matatk> s/Las tw/Last w/
15:25:18 <matatk> s/didn\t/didn't/
15:25:20 <Fredrik> PaulG: It makes a difference to AT vendors whether we ask browser vendors to parse SSML and move it into the AX tree. Depending on the AT vendors\ answer, we\ll either have more questions or just move along with our spec.
15:25:50 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/Re:-AT-Vendors
15:26:50 <Fredrik> janina: The stuff that came from ARIA, probably just a digression, but perhaps even another contexutalising question for the above: would you even implement anythi8ng, or do you even feel you don't want to go to this level?
15:27:14 <Fredrik> janina: We need to fish or cut bait here.
15:27:42 <Fredrik> PaulG: If AT vendors came back and said that they only want to deal with pronunciation info in the AX tree, we need to work on mapping and with WhatWG.
15:27:55 <Fredrik> PaulG: There still could be decisions to be made pertaining to authoring.
15:28:46 <Fredrik> PaulG: The paths are very different at this point.
15:29:06 <matatk> q?
15:32:55 <Fredrik> janina: SSML is now generally accepted by the PDA's?
15:33:16 <Fredrik> PaulG: THat's par to fothe APIs for the digital systems, I believe they all use some flavour of SSML.
15:34:08 <Fredrik> PaulG: It's more ubiquitous than it used to be.
15:34:23 <Fredrik> janina: It's different form platform to platform, but at least there seem sto be consensus on the authoring side.
15:35:13 <Fredrik> PaulG: Yes. It's still new. An AT vendor, say, NVDA, that parses the HTML or XML, they hmay have a chocie where they won't do that. Some may want ti to be part lf the cor functionality and so on.
15:36:16 <Fredrik> janina: No AT left behind is good, but no author left behind is sort of also very very important.
15:37:09 <Fredrik> matatk: There seems to be a lot left do sicuss.
15:37:25 <Fredrik> matatk: Let's hope we can get some sort of consenssus from the community.
15:37:54 <Fredrik> matatk: Anyhone who wants to can join the TF and help out.
15:38:16 <Fredrik> subtopic: RQTF
15:38:36 <Fredrik> janina: We have good progress generally. Progress on process.
15:39:09 <Fredrik> janina: The notes from today's presentation on AI, ML and that whole complex, once they're available, may be of great interest..
15:41:34 <Fredrik>  zakim, next item
15:41:34 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from matatk]
15:41:57 <Fredrik> matatk: PSA: get your actions closed before everything is frozen!
15:42:12 <Fredrik> matatk: Quite a lot fo actions open at this point, but there's still time.
15:42:28 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:42:28 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
15:42:29 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:42:29 <Zakim> 11. Other Business [from matatk]
15:42:30 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:42:30 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk]
15:42:47 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
15:42:47 <Zakim> agendum 11 closed
15:42:48 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:42:48 <Zakim> 12. Be done [from matatk]
15:42:50 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
15:42:50 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- Be done -- taken up [from matatk]
15:43:04 <Fredrik> matatk: Thanks everyone! Keep up the e
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15:43:12 <Fredrik> matatk: All the best for all the TFs and associated work!
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