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14:45:27 <Steven> Meeting: ixml Group Teleconference
14:45:35 <Steven> Date: 7 Feb 2023
14:45:41 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:46:28 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/01/10-ixml-minutes
14:46:59 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2023Feb/0000
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14:55:32 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
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15:01:18 <norm> No one on video @steven?
15:01:37 <Steven> Present: Steven, John, Michael, Norm
15:01:48 <Steven> https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq
15:02:13 <Steven> Present+Norm
15:02:58 <Steven> Regrets: Bethan
15:03:32 <Steven> Topic: Review of agenda
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15:03:43 <Steven> All OK
15:03:57 <Steven> Topic: Previous Actions
15:04:21 <Steven> ACTION 2022-06-21-a: Tom to set up a schematron demo
15:04:25 <Steven> Steven: Dropped
15:04:51 <Steven> ACTION 2022-12-13-b: Steven to propose a route forward on Issue #139
15:04:52 <Github> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/139 : https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/master/samples/URI/rfc-3987.ixml
15:06:13 <Steven> Steven: I am working on this. I have something running.
15:07:04 <Steven> Present+Bethan
15:07:52 <Steven> Steven: It is an accepting grammar rather than a strict one, but reveals more structure.
15:08:16 <Steven> John: Should we make that a principle?
15:08:31 <Steven> Michael: I think we should do both
15:08:58 <Steven> John: We should say which is which.
15:09:11 <Steven> ACTION 2022-12-13-c: Steven to propose an iXML grammar for IRIs and
15:09:11 <Steven>                      illustrate the places where it might fail.
15:09:15 <Steven> Steven: Copntinues
15:09:19 <Steven> s/pn/n
15:09:35 <Steven> ACTION 2022-12-13-f: Norm to produce a concrete proposal for combining
15:09:35 <Steven>                      grammars. John offers to assist
15:09:51 <Steven> Norm: Done. Agenda item
15:10:02 <Steven> ACTION 2023-01-10-a: Norm to put the information about Joel's
15:10:02 <Steven>                      EarleyBird implementation on the home page
15:10:06 <Steven> Norm: Done
15:10:15 <Steven> ACTION 2023-01-10-b: Michael to take another pass on the EBNF to BNF
15:10:15 <Steven>                      document
15:10:37 <Steven> Michael: Continues
15:10:46 <Steven> ACTION 2023-01-10-c: Steven to expand the tests in PR 169.
15:12:50 <Steven> Steven: See email.
15:12:59 <Steven> ACTION: Steven Pull request for Unicode test
15:14:22 <Steven> Michael: Use Notofu fonts to see the characters
15:14:41 <Steven> ACTION 2023-01-10-d: Michael to work out the metadata for identifying
15:14:41 <Steven>                      the Unicode version(s) associated with a test.
15:14:55 <Steven> Michael: Continues
15:15:03 <Steven> ACTION 2023-01-10-e: Norm to merge the erratum on control characters
15:15:03 <Steven>                      and close #147
15:15:04 <Github> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/147 : Are control characters allowed in an ixml grammar?
15:15:06 <Steven> Norm: Done
15:15:17 <Steven> ACTION 2023-01-10-f: Norm and Michael to do a bit of revision to
15:15:17 <Steven>                      improve the draft documentation of the XML
15:15:17 <Steven>                      vocabulary (see #137) for further discussion.
15:15:18 <Github> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/137 : We should document the XML tag set that results from parsing an ixml grammar with the ixml specification grammar
15:15:22 <Steven> Norm: Continues
15:15:33 <Steven> ACTION 2023-01-10-g: Norm to start a use cases and requirements
15:15:33 <Steven>                      document for combining grammars.
15:15:33 <Steven> Norm: Done
15:15:42 <Steven> ACTION 2023-01-10-h: Michael to review RELAX NG rules and report back.
15:15:50 <Steven> Michael: Continues
15:15:59 <Steven> ACTION 2023-01-10-i: Michael to close issues #29 and #30.  (done)
15:16:00 <Github> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/29 : Are there any constraints on how or what a pragma can change in a conforming processor?
15:16:01 <Github> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/30 : Can pragmas be nested?
15:16:08 <Steven> Topic:  Status reports
15:16:26 <Steven> John: Nothing much.
15:16:36 <Steven> Norm: Cleaning up.
15:17:17 <Steven> Steven: I was impressed that you accepted Cn characters
15:17:27 <Steven> John: Supplied by the javascript library
15:18:06 <Steven> Michael: The schema for test results may have a gap: we need a slot with information about the underlying browser.
15:18:13 <Steven> Norm: And the version of Java
15:18:18 <Steven> Michael: And XQuery
15:18:59 <Steven> ACTION: Michael to think about adding to the test suite schema to cover browser (etc) version
15:19:29 <Steven> Steven: I have updated the Unicode handling for Cn, still have to clean it up
15:20:26 <Steven> Topic: Issues
15:20:28 <Steven> Topic:  Issue #75 A Combining grammars (for v.Next)
15:20:28 <Steven>         https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2023Jan/0002.html
15:20:29 <Github> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/75 : Combining grammars (for v.Next)
15:21:29 <Steven> Norm: I think we should accept this and then continue to update
15:23:13 <Steven> John: There is a requirement that in transivity two grammars import the same thing
15:24:55 <Steven> Michael: For visibility you could do it from either direction, either export or import.
15:25:08 <Steven> ... I would like that illustrated with a decision later
15:25:26 <Steven> John: Very like packaging in XSLT
15:25:50 <Steven> Steven: Make both available?
15:25:54 <Steven> John: Yes.
15:26:23 <Steven> ... and is there only one start token?
15:27:09 <Steven> ... you should be able to import some sub-nonterminal
15:27:29 <Steven> ACTION: Norm to split NT-Visibility into two
15:28:47 <Steven> Steven: We need to decide whether we are importing at text level, or parsed level, or at runtime.
15:29:05 <Steven> Michael: So what does the XML form of an importing grammar look like in other words.
15:29:23 <Steven> ... we need names to refer to those.
15:29:37 <Steven> ... To make it easier to talk about.
15:30:16 <Steven> Bethan: Should we be able to merge rules?
15:30:32 <Steven> Michael: There are such use cases.
15:31:13 <Steven> John: There is a collision issue here
15:31:53 <Steven> ... which may mean scoping or renaming.
15:32:27 <Steven> Norm: We are thinking about renaming.
15:33:31 <Steven> ACTION: Norm add a COMBINE option to the usecases
15:33:56 <Steven> TOPIC: Aob
15:34:09 <Steven> Steven: The MarkupUK call is open.
15:34:36 <Steven> Bethan: Should we make stickers?
15:34:55 <Steven> ACTION: Bethan order stickers
15:35:31 <Steven> Steven: Next call 14 March
15:35:52 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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15:38:08 <Steven> s/transivity two grammars import/transivity two grammars can import
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