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13:02:48 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
13:02:58 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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13:03:16 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
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13:03:58 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Sebastian_Kaebisch
13:04:07 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:04:53 <sebastian> topic: minutes
13:05:03 <sebastian> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-wot-minutes.html
13:05:18 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#1_February_2023
13:06:06 <sebastian> <MM shows the minutes>
13:06:33 <sebastian> Kaz: just updated the speaker names
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13:07:01 <kaz> q+
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13:07:41 <kaz> ack k
13:07:49 <Ege> q+
13:07:54 <sebastian> MM: how we handle big pdf files? github has a file zize limit
13:08:06 <sebastian> s/zize/size
13:08:07 <sebastian> q+
13:08:21 <sebastian> ... we need another place
13:08:29 <sebastian> Kaz: how about email?
13:08:34 <sebastian> MM: there is also a limit
13:08:48 <sebastian> Kaz: I can upload to W3C
13:08:51 <Ege> regarding large file storage, please have a look at https://git-lfs.com/ and https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/working-with-files/managing-large-files/configuring-git-large-file-storage
13:09:09 <kaz> s/how about email?/you can send it to the w3c-archive or simply send it to me so that I can install it on the W3C server./
13:09:56 <kaz> q?
13:10:13 <sebastian> MM: propose to publish. Any objections?
13:10:25 <sebastian> Ege: about the file size I shared 2 links
13:10:34 <kaz> ack e
13:10:53 <kaz> s/links/links about Git Large Files/
13:11:11 <sebastian> SK: W3C wiki also allows file upload
13:11:23 <McCool> q?
13:11:26 <McCool> ack s
13:11:32 <sebastian> MM: any objections to publish the minutes?
13:11:36 <sebastian> no
13:11:43 <sebastian> MM: lets publish
13:11:53 <sebastian> topic: Quick updates
13:12:10 <sebastian> subtopic: Use Case call
13:12:30 <sebastian> MM: Use case will be held every Tuesday
13:12:43 <sebastian> ... there was problem with meeting details
13:13:04 <sebastian> ... next meeting will be next week Tuesday
13:13:12 <kaz> s/lets/let's/
13:13:13 <kaz> q?
13:13:29 <kaz> q+
13:14:06 <sebastian> ML: Any inputs for the requirements are welcome, also from non-members
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13:15:21 <McCool> acvk k
13:15:21 <mlagally_> q?
13:15:23 <kaz> ack k
13:15:24 <McCool> ack k
13:15:29 <sebastian> Kaz: we should document the process
13:15:35 <sebastian> ML: agree
13:15:54 <kaz> s/process/process and policy about handling use cases and requirements./
13:16:14 <sebastian> subtopic: Meeting with PLH
13:17:13 <sebastian> MM: PLH is ok to do fixes on Arch 1.1 and Discovery without a new CR
13:17:22 <kaz> q?
13:17:23 <kaz> q+
13:17:43 <sebastian> ... also discussed on OPC UA.
13:17:56 <sebastian> ... there will be a seperate exchange with Sebastian
13:18:45 <sebastian> Kaz: There is still the need to get enough implementations.
13:19:36 <sebastian> MM: yes, however, there are features where no libs exists so far. We need to check how to handle this.
13:19:47 <kaz> s/There is/PLH's clarification is basically inline with what I've been mentioning. However, there is/
13:20:49 <sebastian> subtopic: Cancellations
13:21:24 <sebastian> MM: Discovery is cancelled on Feb 6 for discovery
13:21:36 <sebastian> s/for discovery/
13:22:42 <sebastian> MM: there will be a Arch call tomorrow. However, the W3C Calender system needs to be updated.
13:23:25 <sebastian> subtopic: Publication plan
13:23:42 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md
13:23:54 <mlagally_> q+
13:23:57 <kaz> ack k
13:24:04 <sebastian> MM: I will update the entries for Discovery (no new CR is needed)
13:24:17 <kaz> q+
13:24:20 <kaz> ack ml
13:24:59 <sebastian> MM: I think it is realistic to have wide review within 2 months.
13:25:09 <sebastian> s/MM/ML
13:25:35 <sebastian> MM: however we will have problems to work on the feedbacks on time
13:26:27 <mlagally_> s/work on the feedbacks on time/work on the feedbacks on time if it comes too late/
13:26:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:27:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:27:23 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:27:24 <mlagally_> q+
13:27:24 <kaz> ack k
13:28:05 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:28:36 <sebastian> Kaz: @@@
13:29:35 <sebastian> ML: if you  have a profile compliant implementation you are welcome to provide TDs
13:30:05 <sebastian> subtopic: WG Charter
13:30:05 <mlagally_> s/welcome to provide TDs/welcome to provide TDs anytime/
13:30:23 <sebastian> MM: charter is extended, right?
13:30:25 <kaz> s/@@@/please add clarification about important milestones within the schedule, e.g., wide review and implementation experience. Please note that Testfest is not required from the W3C Process viewpoint, but we still need to clarify how to get the implementation experience./
13:30:26 <sebastian> Kaz: yes
13:30:32 <sebastian> thanks Kaz
13:30:41 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2022/07/wot-wg-2022.html current WG charter
13:30:53 <kaz> s/charter/charter (extended till July 31)/
13:31:16 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:31:25 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:31:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:31:33 <sebastian> <MM review the minuts from Charter meetings>
13:31:48 <sebastian> day 1 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/01/16-wot-minutes.html
13:32:12 <sebastian> MM: any objections?
13:32:14 <sebastian> no
13:32:18 <kaz> s/subtopic: Publication plan/topic: Publication plan/
13:32:29 <sebastian> day 2 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/01/17-wot-minutes.html
13:32:32 <kaz> s/subtopic: WG Charter/topic: WG Charter/
13:32:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:32:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:34:13 <sebastian> MM: any objections?
13:34:16 <sebastian> no
13:34:33 <sebastian> day 3 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/01/18-wot-minutes.html
13:35:14 <kaz> i/charter is ex/subtopic: Charter extension/
13:35:26 <kaz> i/MM review/subtopic: Charter meeting minutes/
13:35:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:35:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:37:18 <sebastian> MM: any objections?
13:37:29 <sebastian> no
13:37:40 <sebastian> day 4 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/01/19-wot-minutes.html
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13:39:27 <sebastian> MM: any objections?
13:39:33 <sebastian> no
13:39:50 <sebastian> MM: all minutes will be published
13:40:13 <Ege> q+
13:40:27 <sebastian> subtopic: PRs against charter draft
13:40:56 <sebastian> s/PRs against charter draft/Next steps
13:41:42 <sebastian> MM: we need to clearify how to proceed. We have some PRs waiting. I expect to have another 4h for discussion.
13:41:55 <kaz> q?
13:42:06 <sebastian> ... we should find best time for doing charter discussions
13:42:25 <sebastian> ... there is a doodle poll provided
13:42:33 <sebastian> -> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/dPjWVg4a/vote
13:43:05 <sebastian> MM: please provide your options
13:43:12 <kaz> s/vote/vote Doodle for the 2nd Charter meeting/
13:43:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:43:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
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13:44:07 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
13:44:17 <sebastian> MM: Idea is to have a temprorary repo to always see the latest rendered charter version
13:44:25 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:44:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:44:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/02/01-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:44:38 <sebastian> ... if finalized repo will be deleted
13:44:50 <sebastian> Kaz: I can setup repo today
13:45:43 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1057
13:46:17 <sebastian> <MM shows some PRs which are waiting to be merged>
13:46:30 <sebastian> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/labels/WG%20New%20Charter%20Plans%202023
13:47:02 <sebastian> MM: PRs will be moved to the new repo. The easy one will be merged.
13:47:35 <McCool> q?
13:47:46 <McCool> ack m
13:48:18 <kaz> q+
13:48:46 <kaz> ack e
13:49:02 <sebastian> Ege: The binding template part has to much details. Should it merge first and then reduced the content afterwards?
13:49:14 <sebastian> s/to/too
13:49:38 <sebastian> MM: Prefer to merge first as is as good starting point
13:49:58 <Ege> q+
13:50:07 <kaz> ack k
13:50:33 <kaz> s/Prefer to merge/Prefer merging/
13:50:52 <sebastian> Kaz: Ege and all, please summurize your discussions. Details should be provided somewhere else.
13:51:30 <kaz> s/good starting point/good starting point, but the Charter itself should include the summary./
13:51:57 <kaz> q?
13:52:02 <sebastian> <MM shows the current Scope section of the WoT2.0 charter>
13:52:10 <kaz> q|
13:52:14 <kaz> s/q|//
13:52:15 <kaz> q+
13:52:18 <kaz> ack e
13:52:38 <sebastian> Ege: Maybe this already to much we should just list the deliverables
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13:52:54 <kaz> s/to much/too much, so/
13:52:58 <mlagally__> q+
13:53:37 <kaz> ack k
13:54:11 <sebastian> Kaz: If you have details description already, please just move to a different place
13:54:26 <sebastian> q+
13:54:47 <kaz> q+
13:55:16 <kaz> ack s
13:55:17 <kaz> ack k
13:55:18 <sebastian> SK: is there a link in the charter to detail description place then?
13:55:44 <sebastian> Kaz: there is no need for doing so. Details can be provided on wiki as example
13:56:40 <kaz> s/wiki as example/wiki or GitHub as the starting point of our spec work for the next Charter period./
13:57:57 <sebastian> ML: It should be marked where we already have a group consensus
13:58:48 <sebastian> topic:  Liaisons
13:59:15 <sebastian> MM: Sebastian will meet PLH to discuss the OPC UA liaison
13:59:28 <sebastian> topic: TF Reports
13:59:50 <sebastian> MM: any news to share?
14:00:04 <sebastian> ... seems not the case
14:00:07 <Ege> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/45cf6f40-47f5-42bc-92f9-62196c437568/20230214T073000
14:01:22 <kaz> i/https/topic: AOB/
14:02:11 <kaz> ek: wondering if it's possible to create a calendar entry for a tentative call
14:02:24 <kaz> ... just tried to that as above
14:03:17 <kaz> ... note the title has been changed to "CANCELLED WoT Marketing"
14:03:26 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:03:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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