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14:59:30 <JenStrickland> chair: JenStrickland
14:59:40 <JenStrickland> Zakim, start meeting
14:59:40 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:59:42 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JenStrickland
15:00:02 <JenStrickland> meeting: AG-Equity-2023-01-30
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15:00:50 <JenStrickland> agenda+ Review Recommendations Report ahead of presenting to AGWG tomorrow, January 31
15:01:06 <bruce_bailey> zakim, agenda?
15:01:06 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
15:01:07 <Zakim> 1. Review sub-group recommendations report [from JenStrickland]
15:01:07 <Zakim> 2. Review Recommendations Report ahead of presenting to AGWG tomorrow, January 31 [from JenStrickland]
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15:01:32 <JenStrickland> Zakim, clear item 1
15:01:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'clear item 1', JenStrickland
15:01:44 <JenStrickland> Zakim, take up next
15:01:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review Recommendations Report ahead of presenting to AGWG tomorrow, January 31 -- taken up [from JenStrickland]
15:02:16 <bruce_bailey> present+
15:02:20 <bruce_bailey> scribe: bruce_bailey
15:03:01 <bruce_bailey> JenStrickland: Wendy and Tzviya wend through slides since last meeting, looking clean
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15:03:14 <tzviya> present+
15:03:20 <bruce_bailey> s/and Tzviya wend through/and Tzviya went through
15:03:31 <wendyreid> present+
15:04:06 <JenStrickland> present+
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15:04:55 <Danielle> Present+
15:04:56 <JenStrickland> Google Slides Recommendations Report link: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1lMYbFlUVhWSKaEnrzUfpozdXybkL2U8jTgWUKq59zjc/edit?usp=sharing
15:05:49 <bruce_bailey> JenStrickland: Going through slides, please add comments during call.
15:06:12 <bruce_bailey> ... AGWG meeting tomorrow at 11:00 Boston , please attend if you can.
15:07:52 <bruce_bailey> Just six slides, others welcome to present.
15:08:05 <bruce_bailey> Group consensus for Jen to present.
15:08:57 <bruce_bailey> tzviya: Can we anticipate questions we might anticipate?
15:09:53 <bruce_bailey> Jen: please be encouraged to add comments to slide.
15:12:05 <bruce_bailey> [jen walks through slides]
15:14:02 <bruce_bailey> tzviya: "ethical web design" was a topic from last week and includes much more than accessibility...
15:14:32 <bruce_bailey> HRB is going to get the most discussed proposition
15:15:12 <bruce_bailey> Jen:  speed can be one of the values at tension with equitable
15:15:19 <bruce_bailey> q+
15:16:21 <bruce_bailey> q-
15:16:46 <bruce_bailey> bruce shares impression from "ethical design systems" from last week
15:17:29 <bruce_bailey> jen:  so much more than we talk about and try in keep in conversation
15:19:07 <bruce_bailey> bruce:  i noticed HRB is not action / next stem item -- that might make conversation easier?
15:20:26 <bruce_bailey> tzviya:  we do not have a good definition of equity , so that is a stumbling block , but people asking are not looking at bigger picture
15:21:27 <bruce_bailey> Jen:  for conversation tomorrow, emphasize that definition can come from community group
15:22:05 <bruce_bailey> Danielle suggests some tweaks for bullet on definition activity
15:23:20 <bruce_bailey> [moving to next steps slide]  Jen: community group can work on definition
15:23:34 <bruce_bailey> PWE meeting is just before AGWG
15:23:54 <bruce_bailey> tzviya: early important action item is charter for CG
15:24:44 <bruce_bailey> Jen:  Do we agree with presenting to other W3C groups?
15:25:59 <bruce_bailey> tzviya: "Office ours Tuesdays" , coordination calls on Wednesdays
15:26:34 <bruce_bailey> [discussion on "chairs" versus "facilitators"]
15:27:08 <bruce_bailey> JenStrickland: other questions or suggestions ?
15:27:39 <bruce_bailey> Danielle:  How do distinguish between process and outcome?
15:28:48 <bruce_bailey> Danielle: more concrete outcome objective might come out of CG conversations
15:29:29 <bruce_bailey> JenStrickland:  Is there consequences for lack of equity ?
15:30:32 <bruce_bailey> tzviya:  Omnibudman process improvements will help ... AGWG has had recent conversation
15:31:27 <bruce_bailey> ... PWE cannot fix everything, but is improving.  Behavior like micro aggressions are hard to address
15:31:42 <bruce_bailey> Jen:  Any changes for recommendations?
15:33:30 <bruce_bailey> Bruce asks about logistics with AG making recomendation to APA ?  But Sheri recommended last week.
15:33:55 <bruce_bailey> Jen:  Progressive enhancement might have implications for performance group.
15:34:36 <bruce_bailey> tzviya: That input could happen from Horizontal Review...
15:35:04 <bruce_bailey> ... one of the equity issue is that there are equity concerns for WCAG and AG.
15:35:34 <bruce_bailey> wendyreid:  It is important to keep track of where this activity and discussion came from...
15:36:47 <bruce_bailey> ... there are some tensions, but this activity came from AG face-to-face conversation , and wanting to keep equity better in WCAG 3 (as compared to 2).
15:37:41 <bruce_bailey> JenStrickland:  We might recrute Jenne Spellman as she was early adovcate with silver...
15:37:56 <bruce_bailey> ... but I have also seen with CSS activities...
15:38:43 <bruce_bailey> ... equity needs to be cross-group , equity more than just AGWG.  But AGWG at least started this activity.
15:39:42 <JenStrickland> rrsagent, make logs world
15:39:50 <JenStrickland> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:39:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/30-ag-equity-minutes.html JenStrickland
15:40:39 <bruce_bailey> zakim, end meeting
15:40:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JenStrickland, tzviya, Sheri_B-H, bruce_bailey, Danielle, wendyreid
15:40:41 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:40:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/30-ag-equity-minutes.html Zakim
15:40:49 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, bruce_bailey; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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