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13:01:36 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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13:08:21 <mjk_> topic: minutes review from last week
13:08:44 <McCool> @kaz: Daniel's name is misspelled
13:09:23 <kaz> present- Dniel_Peintner
13:09:27 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:09:49 <kaz> s/@kaz: Daniel's name is misspelled//
13:10:01 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/01/11-wot-minutes.html Jan-11
13:10:32 <mjk_> seb: any changes or corrections or objections?
13:11:12 <mjk_> seb: approved, ask Kaz to publish
13:11:20 <mjk_> topic: updates
13:11:25 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:11:36 <kaz> rrsagent, make draft minutes
13:11:36 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft minutes', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:11:42 <mjk_> mm: the workshop presentation went well
13:11:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:11:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:12:01 <kaz> q+
13:12:11 <mjk_> ... the slides will be useful as a survey of implementations
13:12:31 <mjk_> ... academic projects aren't included
13:12:44 <mjk_> ... liaisons could also be added
13:12:48 <kaz> chair: Sebastian/McCool
13:13:01 <sebastian> q?
13:13:24 <kaz> ack k
13:13:49 <mjk_> ... should update the website as well
13:13:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:13:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:14:27 <mjk_> ... the link in the agenda points to the pdf
13:14:38 <kaz> i/should/kaz: would be nice to put the information on the implementations and liaisons on the WoT Marketing page./
13:14:59 <kaz> i/would be nice/scribenick: kaz/
13:15:10 <kaz> i/should update the website/scribenick: mjk_/
13:15:22 <kaz> i/any changes or/scribenick: mjk_/
13:15:37 <mjk_> sub-topic: use case call
13:16:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:16:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:16:35 <mjk_> mm: we need to schedule a use case call to gather information for the charter
13:17:10 <Ege> q+
13:17:14 <kaz> i/the workshop presentation/subtopic: IIWOT debriefing/
13:17:19 <mjk_> mm: the lack of ability to un-cancel meetings is a problem
13:17:46 <kaz> q+
13:17:50 <mjk_> ege: we can un-cancel by special request to the system team, but it's a lot of overhead
13:17:53 <kaz> ack e
13:18:21 <mjk_> ege: created an issue for the system team
13:19:56 <mjk_> kaz: sysreq@w3c.org can be used to uncancel items but need to make sure the new item is well identified
13:20:35 <kaz> ack k
13:21:14 <mjk_> seb: new use case call Tuesday the 31st, 0800 US Eastern time
13:21:44 <kaz> s/need to make sure the new item is well identified/you can simply create a new entry for the "WoT Use Cases" call. Also what is important is everybody is aware when to have the call and the WebEx coordinate./
13:21:47 <kaz> q?
13:23:14 <mjk_> sub-topic: next week schedule
13:24:01 <mjk_> sub-topic: call logistics
13:24:01 <kaz> q+
13:24:33 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2023JanMar/0000.html PLH's msage on conf logistics (Member-only)
13:24:48 <mjk_> seb: W3C is moving to zoom starting February
13:25:07 <mjk_> mm: MIT will keep the webex until June, so we have time to transition
13:25:12 <mjk_> q?
13:26:16 <mjk_> kaz: the message asks us to transition by June
13:26:47 <kaz> s/by June/by the end of June/
13:27:23 <kaz> s/of June/of June. we don't need to rush but we need to think about when to transition to zoom./
13:27:25 <mjk_> sub-topic: publications
13:27:46 <mjk_> seb: snapshot CRs were published, thank you, Kaz
13:27:55 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/462
13:28:11 <mjk_> mm: discovery needs a CR update, there is a PR to review the draft
13:28:31 <mjk_> ... we want to have a resolution on Feb 8 to publish on Feb 15th
13:28:50 <mjk_> ... on github we have a diff and preview link
13:29:00 <kaz> s/sub-topic: pub/topic: pub/
13:29:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:29:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:29:23 <kaz> q+
13:29:33 <mjk_> ... 2 problems, DID part and DNS_SD part need to be updated
13:29:53 <mjk_> s/DNS_SD/DNS-SD
13:31:07 <mjk_> kaz: we should talk with Philip about these changes
13:31:46 <mjk_> mm: maybe there is another option besides 2nd PR, will talk with Philip
13:32:19 <mjk_> Kaz: there are several options, including not changing things
13:32:50 <mjk_> mm: there are errors that would break an implementation
13:33:11 <mjk_> ... we can't change the text to informative
13:33:44 <mjk_> mm: there are enough errors to require a normative change
13:33:56 <mjk_> mm: will talk with Philip
13:34:18 <mjk_> seb: agree that it's a bug that needs to be fixed
13:34:21 <mjk_> q?
13:34:25 <kaz> ack k
13:34:40 <mjk_> mm: maybe we could publish an errata
13:35:15 <mjk_> seb: please review the PR
13:35:17 <kaz> i/will talk/kaz: thought this was identified as "at-risk"./
13:35:37 <mjk_> sub-topic: schedule plan
13:35:44 <kaz> i/will talk/mm: no, actually not identified as "at-risk". that's the problem./
13:35:59 <mjk_> mm: go to the PR and view
13:36:06 <kaz> i/will talk/kaz: in that case, I'd suggest again we consult with Philippe./
13:36:21 <kaz> s/with Philip/with Philippe/
13:36:29 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:36:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:36:48 <mjk_> mm: many updates to the schedule plan
13:37:18 <kaz> q+
13:37:50 <mjk_> mm: the plan doesn't include the charter draft, needs to be inserted
13:38:29 <mjk_> mm: there is about a month allowance for the draft, so we should be able to complete it on time
13:39:14 <mjk_> mm: next face to face meeting, mid-June time frame or at TPAC in the fall
13:40:22 <mjk_> kaz: OK with the schedule, but are we sure about the date for the charter draft?\
13:41:00 <mjk_> mm: there is a review date that informs the earlier deadlines
13:41:20 <mjk_> ... we can add more PRs to the document as we refine the schedule
13:41:33 <mjk_> kaz: can we add one line for the draft charter?
13:41:38 <mjk_> mm: OK
13:41:52 <kaz> s/?\/?/
13:42:02 <mjk_> mm: will fix
13:42:19 <mjk_> ... February 22 date for completing the charter draft
13:42:41 <Ege> q?
13:42:42 <mjk_> mm: next subject is when and how do we complete the draft charter
13:43:01 <mjk_> seb: no objections on the PR, adding the one line?
13:43:27 <kaz> s/for completing the charter draft/for starting the AC review/
13:43:34 <kaz> ack k
13:43:49 <McCool> q+
13:43:52 <mjk_> seb: there are PRs for proposals for the various TFs, please review and refine
13:44:13 <mjk_> ... in 2 weeks we plan to use the use case time slot to merge the PRs and finalizre the charter
13:44:29 <mjk_> mm: there is some concern that the charter is too detailed
13:44:54 <mjk_> ... like to capture the detail in the first merge, then simplify it later
13:45:23 <mjk_> ... merge the PRs with all the input and detail, then refine
13:45:34 <kaz> q+
13:45:43 <McCool> ack m
13:45:47 <mjk_> mm: maybe we can use the use case call on Feb 21st also
13:46:10 <mjk_> kaz: I think we should start with the basic scope and mission statement
13:46:27 <McCool> q+
13:46:45 <mjk_> ... OK to manage the input we have, but we need to clarify the scope and mission
13:46:46 <kaz> ack k
13:47:04 <mjk_> ... suggest another 1 week dedicated meeting
13:47:10 <Mizushima> +1 kaz
13:47:18 <kaz> s/scope and mission/basic policy, scope and mission/
13:47:24 <kaz> ack mc
13:47:24 <mjk_> mm: we can make PRs for the mission statement and review them
13:47:25 <kaz> q+
13:47:53 <mjk_> ... the only week available would be February 13th
13:48:26 <mjk_> mm: we could do a doodle poll to set up these time slots
13:48:45 <mjk_> ... would like to keep a few meetings open that week to make progress
13:48:57 <mjk_> seb: we can use part of the TD call also
13:49:20 <McCool> q?
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13:49:46 <mjk_> kaz: we can handle the PR review and charter discussion separately
13:49:56 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
13:50:20 <mjk_> mm: we can merge the PRs on February 8th
13:50:24 <Ege> q+
13:50:57 <mjk_> mm: how many hours will we need that week?
13:51:24 <mjk_> mm: recommend 4 hours
13:51:36 <mjk_> kaz: 4 hours baseline is OK
13:52:22 <mjk_> ... we have already published the specs so need to decide how to wrap up the documents
13:52:47 <mjk_> mm: call for a resolution to review the PRs on February 8th
13:52:49 <kaz> s/is OK/is OK and possibly another 2 hours as reserve./
13:53:35 <mjk_> ege: there is a concern that these are being merged without discussion
13:54:07 <mjk_> ... when are we going to discuss? we will need the general policy to inform this discussion
13:54:32 <kaz> 2
13:54:36 <kaz> s/2//
13:54:38 <kaz> q?
13:54:41 <kaz> ack k
13:54:42 <kaz> ack e
13:54:44 <kaz> q+
13:55:02 <mjk_> mm: the PRs capture the TF consensus but not group consensus
13:55:56 <kaz> ack k
13:56:19 <mjk_> kaz: propose to use a second repository for the refined document
13:56:38 <mjk_> mm: yes, we can create a clean space for the refined document
13:57:14 <kaz> s/document/document so that we can see the rendered HTML for each proposal to have thorough reviews easily./
13:57:16 <mjk_> seb: I currently don't have the big picture for the charter or the total content
13:57:38 <McCool> q+
13:57:39 <mjk_> ... so it would be good to get a first impression with all in one place
13:58:06 <kaz> s/propose to use/originally suggested we use MD before fixing the content but we've already started to use the HTML template. So would propose to use/
13:58:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:58:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:59:04 <mjk_> mm: the resolution to merge the PRs will be proposed later
14:00:14 <McCool> proposal: will work on current set of PRs for draft WG 2023 charter until Feb 8, then will propose a resolution to merge into a first draft charter, then will schedule a set of meetings the week of FEb 13 to restructure, with the goal of publishing the final draft representing the consensus on Feb 22
14:00:54 <McCool> proposal: will work on current set of PRs for draft WG 2023 charter until Feb 8, then will propose a resolution to merge into a first draft charter, then will schedule a set of meetings the week of Feb 13 to restructure, with the goal of publishing the final draft representing the consensus on Feb 22
14:00:55 <mjk_> seb: sounds good to me
14:00:56 <sebastian> +1
14:01:14 <mjk_> mm: any objections?
14:01:16 <McCool> resolution: will work on current set of PRs for draft WG 2023 charter until Feb 8, then will propose a resolution to merge into a first draft charter, then will schedule a set of meetings the week of Feb 13 to restructure, with the goal of publishing the final draft representing the consensus on Feb 22
14:01:20 <mjk_> ... resolved
14:01:37 <mjk_> seb: any more agenda points?
14:02:04 <mjk_> ... request to the group to create testimonial statements for the W3C press release
14:02:52 <mjk_> mm: let's discuss testimonial submission at the testing call
14:02:52 <kaz> q?
14:02:55 <kaz> ack m
14:03:00 <mjk_> seb: anything else?
14:03:03 <mjk_> AOB?
14:03:15 <mjk_> seb: adjourned
14:03:29 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:03:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:03:58 <kaz> i/any more a/topic: AOB?/
14:04:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:04:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-wot-minutes.html kaz
15:27:50 <sebastian> q+
15:32:50 <sebastian> ack s
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