IRC log of rqtf on 2023-01-25

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 25 January 2023
13:07:23 [jasonjgw]
chair: jasonjgw
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present+
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agenda+ Meeting overview.
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agenda+ Introductions from meeting participants.
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agenda+ Outline of Research Questions Task Force research process.
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agenda+ Opportunities for refinement, coordination and formal documentation of research methods.
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agenda+ Expanding the conversation (who else should be involved?), and next steps.
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zakim, list agenda
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Meeting overview. [from jasonjgw]
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2. Introductions from meeting participants. [from jasonjgw]
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3. Outline of Research Questions Task Force research process. [from jasonjgw]
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4. Opportunities for refinement, coordination and formal documentation of research methods. [from jasonjgw]
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5. Expanding the conversation (who else should be involved?), and next steps. [from jasonjgw]
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scribe+
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agenda?
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zakim, who's here?
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Present: jasonjgw
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On IRC I see janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, jasonjgw, MichaelC, trackbot
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present+
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present+
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agenda?
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present+
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present+
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scribe: SteveNoble
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present+
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present+
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present+
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Meeting overview. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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q+
14:02:53 [Chuck]
No camera for me, I am wearing my very early morning apparel (nobody needs see that :-))
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MichaelC: Suggests turning on camera while speaking
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Interpreter: please turn cameras off when not speaking
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present+
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present+
14:05:24 [Chuck]
Michael, you are in queue, did you address your points?
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present+ John_Paton
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Jason: Purpose of this meeting is to review the research process and find common themes and methods of collaboration
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present+
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zakim, next item
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I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jasonjgw
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ack Mich
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Jason: We can begin with introductions
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Introductions from meeting participants. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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14:07:43 [SteveNoble]
Introductions all around...
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present+
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Outline of Research Questions Task Force research process. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:13:55 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Our task force commonly reviews research as part of accessibility reviews on various topics
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jasonjgw: We have documented the general process we use on our TF
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jasonjgw: The process is not rigit
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q+
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jasonjgw: It is a progressive review process with multiple rounds
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q+
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jasonjgw: There are multiple opportunities for commenters to suggest additional sources and issues
14:16:09 [Chuck]
I will let Jason know of queue when there is a pause.
14:16:39 [matatk]
s/not rigit/not rigid/
14:16:43 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: The outline document provides additional details
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jasonjgw: Multiple phases of the process are discussed
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scott_h: Various members on the RQTF have different levels of access to journal libraries and we typically leverage that
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q?
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ack janina
14:21:02 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: The document outlines the process quite well
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q?
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ack Lis
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Lisa: Some questions on the process
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- Opportunities for refinement, coordination and formal documentation of research methods. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:22:11 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: Have some comments on improvements
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Lisa: One interest is what are the terms being used in research
14:22:59 [Rachael]
q+
14:23:35 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: terms like "accessibility" often turns up heavily WCAG hits on web accessibility
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q?
14:24:26 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: Should also broaden to terms like "learning disabilities" to not get overly focused on blindness
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Lisa: This seems especially important to be more inclusive of disability types
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Lisa: Also important to recognize who the stakeholders are
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Lisa: Knowing who the stateholders are, and which groups do they represent
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Lisa: Differences between member organizations and professional groups
14:27:43 [Chuck]
Seeyou later Alastair
14:28:03 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: Did the various groups get into the first round, the second round, etc.
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q?
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q?
14:29:11 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: Also important to make sure that stakeholder groups are involved in the task force itself
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+1 to rachael
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https://w3c.github.io/fast/
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q+
14:30:11 [SteveNoble]
Rachael: Seems like there is a valuable opportunity to create a note or wiki to document key terms and databases
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q?
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ack Rach
14:30:48 [jasonjgw]
q?
14:30:48 [scott_h]
q+
14:30:56 [SteveNoble]
Rachael: Are we supporting and documenting in a way to broaden this even beyond the W3C community
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q+
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ack Lisa
14:32:49 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: How to do an inclusive literary review - we could ask organizations like TRACE if they have already done one and could share that with us
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Lisa: We could reach out to stakeholders early on in the process
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ack scott
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scott_h: The idea of a wiki for keywords sound like a great idea
14:33:54 [Lisa]
as part of diverse recruiting for individual projects
14:34:21 [Lisa]
we can reach out to stakeholders as a very early step
14:34:29 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: We do initially try to get as many perspectives as possible
14:35:08 [jasonjgw]
q+
14:35:34 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: The wiki would help in the initial process; we could also list external groups known for commonly conducting research
14:35:58 [Chuck]
ack Janina
14:37:39 [SteveNoble]
janina: capturing search strategies is an important point; we can capture the search terms and databases that have been included, for example
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ack Jason
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Q+
14:38:52 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Authors of papers will include additional sources which is always a means of expanding the research base
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jasonjgw: Key words are important as a starting point
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q?
14:40:50 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Refine the outline and have a more organic presence on the wiki page seems like two actions to take
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q?
14:41:08 [Chuck]
ack Lisa
14:42:27 [janina]
Did someone say "top ten?" I didn't hear that
14:42:32 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: Commonly people will look at the top ten search results; but will not necessarily be inclusive of many disabilities
14:43:17 [Chuck]
Lisa said that there are times that an accessibility doc may not be in the top 10 results.
14:43:25 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: Suggests documenting what is credible
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q+
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Lisa: For instance, is any W3C note considered credible?
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q-
14:44:54 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: In the effort to reach out to various stakeholder groups, we need to make sure the method of conversation was accessible to that disability group
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Lisa: We need to be inclusive in every stage of the process
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q+
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q?
14:47:34 [Chuck]
ack scott
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q+
14:47:55 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: We have identified some next steps
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scott_h: We have tried to communicate thus far and are trying to make those more inclusive
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scott_h: We know some methods such as GitHub has challenges
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q?
14:50:14 [Chuck]
q?
14:50:19 [SteveNoble]
scott_h: We focus primarily on peer-reviewed sources; but understand that these resources alone do not guarantee it being inclusive
14:50:37 [Lisa]
best way to reach coga is to send us an email to the list
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(coga list)
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ack Lisa
14:51:12 [Raja_Kushalnagar]
q+
14:52:04 [SteveNoble]
jasonjgw: Refining the process and having an open-ended process to document the steps used
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ack Raja
14:52:34 [SteveNoble]
janina: I believe we have agreement on that
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q?
14:54:05 [SteveNoble]
Raja_Kushalnagar: We understand that within groups it is possible to get people from these groups to provide feedback
14:54:17 [Lisa]
but there is a problem that all user needs get included early enough to fully contribute. we need to change that
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q+
14:54:43 [Chuck]
Sorry, I had a hickup in VPN.
14:55:10 [Chuck]
Answer to the question is 'Yes', I think these resources may be of great value.
14:55:33 [Chuck]
+1 for follow up meeting
14:55:42 [SteveNoble]
Lisa: COGA often feels that by the time it sees a product it is too late to add substantive feedback, so we were hoping to improve this problem
14:56:15 [Rachael]
Q+
14:56:39 [SteveNoble]
janina: Suggest some discussion with APA on this for further perspective
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ack Ch
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Q-
14:57:21 [Lisa]
thank youu everyone!
14:57:28 [SteveNoble]
Chuck: Agree with the suggested next steps
14:57:33 [Raja_Kushalnagar]
For example, ASSETS conference focuses on accessible computing, and peer-reviews papers covering a diverse set of abilities/disabilities
14:57:52 [jasonjgw]
zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, Lisa, Chuck, SteveNoble, scott_h, matatk, MichaelC, julierawe, David-Swallow, John_Paton, Rachael, Joshue
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw
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