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13:07:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:07:18 <trackbot> Date: 25 January 2023
13:07:23 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:07:28 <jasonjgw> present+
13:07:36 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Meeting overview.
13:07:36 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Introductions from meeting participants.
13:07:36 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Outline of Research Questions Task Force research process.
13:07:36 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Opportunities for refinement, coordination and formal documentation of research methods.
13:07:39 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Expanding the conversation (who else should be involved?), and next steps.
13:07:47 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
13:07:47 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
13:07:48 <Zakim> 1. Meeting overview. [from jasonjgw]
13:07:48 <Zakim> 2. Introductions from meeting participants. [from jasonjgw]
13:07:48 <Zakim> 3. Outline of Research Questions Task Force research process. [from jasonjgw]
13:07:48 <Zakim> 4. Opportunities for refinement, coordination and formal documentation of research methods. [from jasonjgw]
13:07:50 <Zakim> 5. Expanding the conversation (who else should be involved?), and next steps. [from jasonjgw]
13:08:18 <jasonjgw> scribe+
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13:47:57 <janina> agenda?
13:48:26 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:48:26 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw
13:48:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, jasonjgw, MichaelC, trackbot
13:48:45 <janina> present+
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13:57:06 <Chuck> agenda?
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14:00:11 <SteveNoble> scribe: SteveNoble
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14:01:55 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:01:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Meeting overview. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:02:00 <MichaelC> q+
14:02:53 <Chuck> No camera for me, I am wearing my very early morning apparel (nobody needs see that :-))
14:02:54 <SteveNoble> MichaelC: Suggests turning on camera while speaking
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14:03:44 <SteveNoble> Interpreter: please turn cameras off when not speaking
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14:05:24 <Chuck> Michael, you are in queue, did you address your points?
14:05:34 <JPaton> present+ John_Paton
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14:05:56 <SteveNoble> Jason: Purpose of this meeting is to review the research process and find common themes and methods of collaboration
14:06:02 <Rachael> present+
14:06:18 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:06:18 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jasonjgw
14:06:39 <Chuck> ack Mich
14:06:40 <SteveNoble> Jason: We can begin with introductions
14:06:51 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:06:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Introductions from meeting participants. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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14:07:43 <SteveNoble> Introductions all around...
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14:12:49 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:12:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Outline of Research Questions Task Force research process. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:13:55 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Our task force commonly reviews research as part of accessibility reviews on various topics
14:14:40 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We have documented the general process we use on our TF
14:14:53 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: The process is not rigit
14:15:16 <Lisa> q+
14:15:20 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: It is a progressive review process with multiple rounds
14:15:56 <janina> q+
14:16:03 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: There are multiple opportunities for commenters to suggest additional sources and issues
14:16:09 <Chuck> I will let Jason know of queue when there is a pause.
14:16:39 <matatk> s/not rigit/not rigid/
14:16:43 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: The outline document provides additional details
14:17:11 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Multiple phases of the process are discussed
14:20:22 <SteveNoble> scott_h: Various members on the RQTF have different levels of access to journal libraries and we typically leverage that
14:20:41 <Chuck> q?
14:20:50 <Chuck> ack janina
14:21:02 <SteveNoble> scott_h: The document outlines the process quite well
14:21:19 <janina> q?
14:21:29 <Chuck> ack Lis
14:21:46 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Some questions on the process
14:22:04 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:22:04 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Opportunities for refinement, coordination and formal documentation of research methods. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:22:11 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Have some comments on improvements
14:22:33 <SteveNoble> Lisa: One interest is what are the terms being used in research
14:22:59 <Rachael> q+
14:23:35 <SteveNoble> Lisa: terms like "accessibility" often turns up heavily WCAG hits on web accessibility
14:24:18 <janina> q?
14:24:26 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Should also broaden to terms like "learning disabilities" to not get overly focused on blindness
14:25:09 <SteveNoble> Lisa: This seems especially important to be more inclusive of disability types
14:25:36 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Also important to recognize who the stakeholders are
14:26:31 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Knowing who the stateholders are, and which groups do they represent
14:27:21 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Differences between member organizations and professional groups
14:27:43 <Chuck> Seeyou later Alastair
14:28:03 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Did the various groups get into the first round, the second round, etc.
14:28:45 <Chuck> q?
14:28:46 <jasonjgw> q?
14:29:11 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Also important to make sure that stakeholder groups are involved in the task force itself
14:29:53 <Lisa> +1 to rachael
14:29:56 <Rachael> https://w3c.github.io/fast/
14:29:56 <Lisa> q+
14:30:11 <SteveNoble> Rachael: Seems like there is a valuable opportunity to create a note or wiki to document key terms and databases
14:30:26 <Chuck> q?
14:30:28 <Chuck> ack Rach
14:30:48 <jasonjgw> q?
14:30:48 <scott_h> q+
14:30:56 <SteveNoble> Rachael: Are we supporting and documenting in a way to broaden this even beyond the W3C community
14:31:21 <janina> q+
14:31:44 <Chuck> ack Lisa
14:32:49 <SteveNoble> Lisa: How to do an inclusive literary review - we could ask organizations like TRACE if they have already done one and could share that with us
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14:33:18 <SteveNoble> Lisa: We could reach out to stakeholders early on in the process
14:33:32 <Chuck> ack scott
14:33:52 <SteveNoble> scott_h: The idea of a wiki for keywords sound like a great idea
14:33:54 <Lisa> as part of diverse recruiting for individual projects
14:34:21 <Lisa> we can reach out to stakeholders as a very early step
14:34:29 <SteveNoble> scott_h: We do initially try to get as many perspectives as possible
14:35:08 <jasonjgw> q+
14:35:34 <SteveNoble> scott_h: The wiki would help in the initial process; we could also list external groups known for commonly conducting research
14:35:58 <Chuck> ack Janina
14:37:39 <SteveNoble> janina: capturing search strategies is an important point; we can capture the search terms and databases that have been included, for example
14:37:45 <Chuck> ack Jason
14:38:09 <Lisa> Q+
14:38:52 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Authors of papers will include additional sources which is always a means of expanding the research base
14:39:22 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Key words are important as a starting point
14:39:24 <janina> q?
14:40:50 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Refine the outline and have a more organic presence on the wiki page seems like two actions to take
14:40:57 <jasonjgw> q?
14:41:08 <Chuck> ack Lisa
14:42:27 <janina> Did someone say "top ten?" I didn't hear that
14:42:32 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Commonly people will look at the top ten search results; but will not necessarily be inclusive of many disabilities
14:43:17 <Chuck> Lisa said that there are times that an accessibility doc may not be in the top 10 results.
14:43:25 <SteveNoble> Lisa: Suggests documenting what is credible
14:43:26 <janina> q+
14:43:47 <SteveNoble> Lisa: For instance, is any W3C note considered credible?
14:44:46 <janina> q-
14:44:54 <SteveNoble> Lisa: In the effort to reach out to various stakeholder groups, we need to make sure the method of conversation was accessible to that disability group
14:45:33 <SteveNoble> Lisa: We need to be inclusive in every stage of the process
14:45:48 <scott_h> q+
14:47:22 <janina> q?
14:47:34 <Chuck> ack scott
14:47:35 <Lisa> q+
14:47:55 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We have identified some next steps
14:48:38 <SteveNoble> scott_h: We have tried to communicate thus far and are trying to make those more inclusive
14:49:20 <SteveNoble> scott_h: We know some methods such as GitHub has challenges
14:50:12 <jasonjgw> q?
14:50:14 <Chuck> q?
14:50:19 <SteveNoble> scott_h: We focus primarily on peer-reviewed sources; but understand that these resources alone do not guarantee it being inclusive
14:50:37 <Lisa> best way to reach coga is to send us an email to the list
14:50:44 <Lisa> (coga list)
14:51:07 <Chuck> ack Lisa
14:51:12 <Raja_Kushalnagar> q+
14:52:04 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Refining the process and having an open-ended process to document the steps used
14:52:22 <Chuck> ack Raja
14:52:34 <SteveNoble> janina: I believe we have agreement on that
14:54:03 <Chuck> q?
14:54:05 <SteveNoble> Raja_Kushalnagar: We understand that within groups it is possible to get people from these groups to provide feedback
14:54:17 <Lisa> but there is a problem that all user needs get included early enough to fully contribute. we need to change that
14:54:21 <Chuck> q+
14:54:43 <Chuck> Sorry, I had a hickup in VPN.
14:55:10 <Chuck> Answer to the question is 'Yes', I think these resources may be of great value.
14:55:33 <Chuck> +1 for follow up meeting
14:55:42 <SteveNoble> Lisa: COGA often feels that by the time it sees a product it is too late to add substantive feedback, so we were hoping to improve this problem
14:56:15 <Rachael> Q+
14:56:39 <SteveNoble> janina: Suggest some discussion with APA on this for further perspective
14:56:48 <Chuck> ack Ch
14:56:57 <Rachael> Q-
14:57:21 <Lisa> thank youu everyone!
14:57:28 <SteveNoble> Chuck: Agree with the suggested next steps
14:57:33 <Raja_Kushalnagar> For example, ASSETS conference focuses on accessible computing, and peer-reviews papers covering a diverse set of abilities/disabilities
14:57:52 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
14:57:52 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, Lisa, Chuck, SteveNoble, scott_h, matatk, MichaelC, julierawe, David-Swallow, John_Paton, Rachael, Joshue
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