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15:01:49 <pbelfanti> Meeting: Publishing Community Group, Education Task Force Telecon
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15:01:52 <pbelfanti> Date: 25 January 2023
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15:01:56 <jamesY_> present+
15:02:02 <pbelfanti> Chair: Paul Belfanti
15:03:34 <tzviya> present+
15:04:03 <gautier> present+
15:04:03 <pbelfanti> scribenick: gautier
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15:07:43 <gautier> Agenda:  Review Susan Neuhaus' Miro board and determine which use cases to develop
15:10:39 <gautier> pbelfanti: last time we grouped things here. Next step is to identify wich ones we want to pursue. Personnally I find objects non book formats are interseting. May things happening and students exeprimenting (3d models for eductaion)
15:12:31 <gautier> @tzivya: when we spoke about supporting 3d models etc. we ran into need of a better definition of what is missing, what is the request
15:13:51 <tzviya> s/@tzivya/tzviya
15:13:59 <gautier> sue-neu: this board came from interviews, this request came from librarian/digital project manager at university press. Also involved in open publishing.
15:15:17 <tzviya> q+ to ask what the request from epub is
15:16:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
15:17:50 <gautier> gautier: i see use case with books adapted for students where I can add a 3d model for tactile access to any graphic picture inside the book.
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15:17:57 <JF> Present+
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15:19:24 <gautier> pbelfanti: we speak not only about epub but about what education wants from we b technologies.
15:20:43 <wolfgang> s/we b/Web/
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15:21:17 <gautier> sue-neu: I'm not sure about the process. We do a research, identify something missing, and after?
15:21:26 <rickj_> q+
15:21:48 <gautier> pbelfanti: this is to be reported to the publishing CG and studied there.
15:22:29 <tzviya> ack ,e
15:22:32 <tzviya> ack me
15:22:33 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask what the request from epub is
15:22:53 <gautier> tzviya: so we can do 3d etc. on the web, it's not easy to add that to epub now.
15:23:03 <JF> Q+
15:23:37 <gautier> Bill_Kasdorf: the output could be a community group note, "this is how to do that"
15:23:42 <tzviya> ack rickj_
15:24:54 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:24:56 <tzviya> +1 rickj_
15:25:03 <gautier> rickj_: one thing is cookbook style stuff (how to do), another is wishlist stuff and another again is how do we work with edTech.
15:25:52 <tzviya> ack JF
15:27:02 <rickj_> q+ to respond
15:27:08 <gautier> JF: browsers vendors want to see use case, it's first a plugin wildely donwloaded than put them at work for supporting it natively.
15:27:49 <tzviya> q+ to respond to rickj_
15:28:35 <wolfgang> s/wildely/widely/
15:28:39 <wolfgang> s/donwloaded/downloaded/
15:28:53 <gautier> JF: before going standard we need experiemental time and POC.
15:29:03 <pbelfanti> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:29:33 <pbelfanti> ack rickj
15:29:33 <Zakim> rickj_, you wanted to respond
15:30:08 <sue-neu> Q+
15:30:08 <gautier> Bill_Kasdorf: we are pre WG, we do incubation.
15:31:10 <JF> Q+
15:32:16 <pbelfanti> ack tzviya
15:32:16 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to respond to rickj_
15:33:25 <pbelfanti> ack sue-neu
15:33:26 <gautier> tzviya: john is right but we can't work this way with epub. An EPUB is a Course packages but everyone does courses packages differently. Ther's a standardization possible here.
15:33:36 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:34:31 <pbelfanti> ack JF
15:35:18 <tzviya> s/john is right but we can't work this way with epub. An EPUB is a Course packages but everyone does courses packages differently. Ther's a standardization possible here./Rick is right. Higher Ed isn't working with EPUB this way anymore. EPUB is part of the course package, but it's part of the package. What's in this package? It's an area that is ready to be  standardized.
15:37:42 <gautier> JF: An exemple of what we can do, I'm currently working on documentation about certifier report because it is not sufficiently determined what form it is to be, where does it lives, do we have a template, etc.
15:38:15 <gautier> JF: identifying problems is the first step, we do a list and start identifying how we can adress the need.
15:38:17 <pbelfanti> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:38:27 <wolfgang> s/where does it lives/where does it live/
15:39:02 <pbelfanti> q+
15:39:57 <JF> is ePub part of that solution Bill?
15:40:18 <CharlesL> @JF LIA in Italy is using certifierReport you may want to reach out to Gregorio to see how they are doing it.
15:40:20 <tzviya> q+ to comment on courses and standards
15:40:26 <gautier> Bill_Kasdorf: A course is not a book, books are ressources used in a course. I've seen a demo of a tool agregating complex and diverse materials that could be of interest for the persons here.
15:40:56 <JF> @Charles - yes, George mentioned that earlier this week. On my ToDo list
15:41:35 <JF> @Charles, the larger problem remains: the idea and "how to" is woefully underspecified today
15:42:44 <JF> LOL - wordpress - a great platform for PoC 'plugins'
15:43:20 <JF> s/@Charles - yes, George mentioned that earlier this week. On my ToDo list/
15:43:29 <JF> s/@Charles, the larger problem remains: the idea and "how to" is woefully underspecified today/
15:44:13 <pbelfanti> ack tzviya
15:44:13 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to comment on courses and standards
15:45:18 <pbelfanti> q-
15:45:45 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:46:11 <pbelfanti> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:46:13 <gautier> sue-neu: 3d and interactive seems intersting to the group, I open it as an issue and we see were it goes.
15:46:28 <wolfgang> s/intersting/interesting/
15:46:54 <pbelfanti> q+
15:47:47 <wolfgang> q+
15:47:58 <pbelfanti> ack pbelfanti
15:48:29 <gautier> pbelfanti: there could be iterations here, find missings parts, explore, see if there is something to be explained, back to the person who reported, see if it's sufficient or if more work needs to be done.
15:48:38 <pbelfanti> ack Wolfgang
15:48:40 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:49:27 <JF> +1 to Wolfgang - this is one of the questions I have about where does a11y:certifierReport live?
15:49:39 <JF> (i.e. the security question)
15:50:04 <pbelfanti> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:50:07 <gautier> wolfgang: intercations in epub because it means comunicating with servers can be a security issue. Another aspect is interoperability. Is there a solution, yes, no, is it commercial or free to use, is it specific plugin or browser engine
15:50:28 <wolfgang> s/comunicating/communicating/
15:50:41 <JF> Q+
15:50:50 <wolfgang> s/intercations/interactions/
15:51:10 <pbelfanti> ack JF
15:52:51 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 tdo JF
15:53:00 <gautier> JF: do we have solution, best practices etc. for the security tread raised by epub comunicating with external ressources?
15:53:11 <sue-neu> +1 JF
15:53:14 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/tdo/to/
15:53:17 <wolfgang> s/tread/threat/
15:54:30 <gautier> pbelfanti: we can prepare use cases for next meeting.
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16:49:05 <pbelfanti> zakim, end meeting
16:49:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pbelfanti, jamesY_, tzviya, gautier, wolfgang, Bill_Kasdorf, JF, sue-neu, rickj_
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