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15:32:47 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
15:32:47 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model
15:32:47 <Fazio> chair: Fazio, SBH
15:34:22 <Fazio> regrets: Jeff Kline
15:43:32 <Fazio> Agenda + Task Force CFC Update
15:44:03 <Fazio> Agenda+ Intersection of Equity SubGroup and Maturity Model
15:44:30 <Fazio> Agenda+ Prioritizing Jason White’s Issues, Recap of Last Week’s Meeting
15:45:05 <Fazio> Agenda + Github Issue #42 Section 3.1 (communication) should be clarified.
15:45:41 <Fazio> Agenda + Github Issue#15 Potentially unfamiliar terms/abbreviations in section 3 should be defined/explained.
15:46:11 <Fazio> Agenda + Github Issue#17 The application of the model to decentralized organizations could be clarified, as could the nature and roles of the valid outputs of applying the model in an evaluation.
15:55:41 <Fazio> present+
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16:01:18 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:01:18 <Zakim> Present: Fazio
16:01:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see nadine, janina, Lionel_Wolberger_, RRSAgent, Zakim, Fazio, jspellman
16:01:31 <nadine> present+
16:01:45 <janina> present+
16:01:48 <janina> agenda?
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16:05:27 <Lionel_Wolberger_> scribe: Lionel_Wolberger_
16:06:07 <Lionel_Wolberger_> zakim, next item
16:06:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Task Force CFC Update -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:06:14 <Lionel_Wolberger_> q?
16:07:59 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: Have to wait for the end of this voting period, if we are going to make a change.
16:09:17 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/maturity-model/work-statement
16:10:15 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Fazio: Looks good
16:10:38 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: It's an illustrative list and not an exhaustive list
16:11:30 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... nothing will happen until 3 Feb anyway
16:11:56 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... more procedural news:
16:12:09 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... APA Charter has its own CFC next week, please vote
16:12:44 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... Tracker is being sunsetted, actions will be tracked in future via Github
16:13:40 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Sheri_BH: Many organizations are using it in 'stealth' mode
16:13:49 <CharlesL> agenda?
16:14:05 <CharlesL> zakim, next item
16:14:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Intersection of Equity SubGroup and Maturity Model -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:15:41 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... Bruce and Tzviya have asked for meetings with Sheri for clarifications in applying the AMM to their respective organizations
16:17:10 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: The AMM allows organizations to make claims
16:17:25 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Fazio: As long as they are doing something, and whatever is asserted can be backed up with evidence
16:19:27 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... showcasing your process internally and externally
16:20:03 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Sheri_BH: Equity subgroup wants to investigate the possibility of adding to the AMM an Equity dimension
16:20:54 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... Equity refers to all things beyond a11y: gender, lgbtq, everything in the traditional DEI
16:21:21 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: This can be covered in a footnote
16:21:46 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... what would we say differently to what AMM already says, namely that it is extensible and can be used in other ares
16:21:54 <Lionel_Wolberger_> s/ares/areas
16:22:07 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Sheri_BH: We do state that this AMM is devoted to A11Y
16:22:23 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... we could meet with them and demonstrate how the model can we applied to their purposes
16:23:22 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Sheri_BH: They are discussing applying to become a WG, perhaps opening a CG
16:25:29 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Sheri_BH: The choices are  [1] Go ahead on your own [2] we work with you on the intersections [3] we include Equity in AMM
16:26:15 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: for [2], I would want it demonstrated how making changes in the AMM makes it more extensible
16:26:45 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Fazio: We see many applications in MedTech, FinTech, AI. It is adaptable as it is
16:27:23 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Sheri_BH: I can review AMM through the lens of Equity, and see how it looks
16:27:33 <Lionel_Wolberger_> janina: +1 to that
16:29:11 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Draft RESOLUTION: AMM decides to remain focused on accessibility and extensibility
16:29:20 <Lionel_Wolberger_> +1
16:29:22 <nadine> +1
16:29:22 <janina> +1
16:29:26 <CharlesL> +1
16:29:28 <Sheri_BH> +1
16:29:30 <Fazio> +1
16:29:45 <Lionel_Wolberger_> RESOLUTION: AMM decides to remain focused on accessibility and extensibility
16:29:58 <Lionel_Wolberger_> rrsagent, make minutes
16:29:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-maturity-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger_
16:31:07 <Sheri_BH> Sheri: Tzviya's issue to be assigned to sheri, Sheri to review AMM through the lens of Equity and extensibility , and propose any additions/changes
16:31:42 <Sheri_BH> zakim, next item
16:31:42 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Prioritizing Jason White’s Issues, Recap of Last Week’s Meeting -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:32:28 <Sheri_BH> Janina: proposes to have a conversation with Jason to settle his concerns
16:32:43 <Sheri_BH> David: ISO compatibility is a separate issue
16:32:54 <Sheri_BH> Janina: will ask Jason for specifics on ISO
16:33:14 <Sheri_BH> David:  Jason's smaller issues can be addressed quickly
16:33:45 <Sheri_BH> zakim, next item
16:33:46 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Github Issue #42 Section 3.1 (communication) should be clarified. -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:34:35 <Fazio> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/42
16:34:36 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/42
16:37:06 <Sheri_BH> David: reviewed the specifics of this issue
16:38:19 <Sheri_BH> Sheri: We deliberately decided not to include details about what goes in an accessibility statement
16:38:34 <Sheri_BH> Janina: We can't be very specific because different countries have different approaches
16:39:00 <Sheri_BH> Janina: if MM becomes part of WCAG 3, specifics will also be a problem
16:39:08 <Sheri_BH> Janina: We aren't a specification, we are best practices
16:40:05 <Sheri_BH> Brian: There is a waterfall effect on statements when they come from executives
16:40:59 <Sheri_BH> Janina: Will ask Jason to break it down into multiple issues
16:41:23 <Sheri_BH> David to also add the same comment into 42
16:41:32 <Sheri_BH> David: and also close it
16:42:18 <Sheri_BH> zakim, next item
16:42:18 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Github Issue#15 Potentially unfamiliar terms/abbreviations in section 3 should be defined/explained. -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:42:42 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/15
16:44:55 <Sheri_BH> We added a section called "Key Terms" after Jason logged this issue
16:45:07 <Sheri_BH> David will ask Jason to identify any terms that are missing and close the issue
16:45:17 <Sheri_BH> zakim, next item
16:45:17 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Github Issue#17 The application of the model to decentralized organizations could be clarified, as could the nature and roles of the valid outputs of applying the
16:45:20 <Zakim> ... model in an evaluation. -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:45:30 <Sheri_BH> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/17
16:46:48 <Sheri_BH> David: reviewed the specifics of this issue
16:48:03 <Sheri_BH> Sheri: We discussed this at some depth.  The end result was that we added language saying that you could constrain the scope of the review as long as that constraint was identified
16:48:47 <Sheri_BH> Brian: Is currently implementing the MM in a decentralized org
16:49:13 <Sheri_BH> Brian: Determined that there was flexibility to do the review at a business unit level
16:49:25 <Sheri_BH> Brian: The question is whether the reviews at the business unit level can be rolled up into a corporate level assessment
16:50:11 <Sheri_BH> Brian: Key takeaway is how do you reflect an overall corporate score if you have some parts of the org that are more mature than others
16:50:20 <Sheri_BH> Brian: Are you strongest as your weakest link or strongest link
16:50:52 <Sheri_BH> David: Brian will come back with a proposal to handle this issue
16:51:05 <Sheri_BH> Janina: Sheri should take this up with the stealth implementers that she is meeting wtih
16:51:24 <Sheri_BH> David will assign 15 to Brian offline
16:51:57 <Sheri_BH> scribe: Sheri_BH
16:52:09 <Sheri_BH> since 08:30 PST
16:53:16 <Sheri_BH> rrsagent, make minutes
16:53:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/01/25-maturity-minutes.html Sheri_BH
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