IRC log of aria-apg on 2023-01-24
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- MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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- CHAIR: Jemma
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- Meeting Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/January-24%2C-2023-Agenda
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- Topic: Status of in-progress site updates
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- WAI site build problems blocking publication.
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- Work in progress on first AT support table - pull request #2569
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- Work in progress on restructure and improvement of About Page -- PR 2558
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- Work in progress on issue 2535 -- Same level navigation on Single Pattern and Single Practice pages
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2569 : Button Example: Add AT support tables from ARIA-AT
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- Howard, Alex and Matt King will meet Michael Cooper to resolve publishing APG updates
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- mck: we did the review of AT support table embed last week.
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2569
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- mck: 12 changes for support table update for Howard, Bocoup
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- ... timeframe?
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- Howard: I will have the update on Monday.
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- mck: PR 2258 is still in progress and ready for the implementation
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- issue 2535 is not started for the implementation
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- Topic:2023 APG TF Vision Discussion
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- mck: what we talked about last week were
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- - Running workshops or info session to attract more participation
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- - More sharing of and improving Incentives for participation and contribution
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- - Returning to more focus to add design patterns
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- mck: what would be incentives for participation
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- ...write out the list
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- any other measures to attract the partipant
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- jemma: may be one on one mentoring and coaching will be helpful.
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/about/
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- jon: we can use the APG mailing list to invite participation
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- ... let participants have deeper understanding
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- emphasis on the goal of benefiting other people
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- fullfillment will be a good reason to join.
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- mck: first weakness is in engineering aspect and second weakness is documentation
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- in APG
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- mck: how about design aspect?
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- ..as we develop more example, we can recruit the desginers.
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- ... The weakest part is engineering aspect.
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- ...regression test is the important part of the work too.
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- jon: sure. we can have some specialization for the APG work.
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- jon; test can be very specific to the coding example
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- mck: back to talent discussion
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- ..we need to recruit people, not coding example
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- jon: one of barrier to participate in APG is W3C membership issue.
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- mck: Intellectual Property clearance issue is connected.
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- jon: if we can connect the recruitment with accessibility course, it would be good.
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- mck: market the APG as the project, rather than members will be helpful?
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- jon: I think that is the good idea.
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- mck: we can provide template so that people can start working on it.
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2501
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- discussion summary: Community group and selling APG as project, not a membership.
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- curt: having simple workflow to contribute.
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- Topic: Combobox keyboard bug feedback
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2440
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/example-index/combobox/combobox-select-only.html
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- reading through the comment, https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2440#issuecomment-1217538796
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- sarah's comment on APG pattern vs Native <select> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2440#issuecomment-1402454747
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- jon: it is confusing everything is read as "choose fruit"
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- mck: outcome of pervious meeting was we would change the name of the value to "choose fruit" and make it as none.
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- ... should it be shown as place holder, not a value?
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- mck: we can go either way.
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- jon: intent here is the direction, "choose the fruit"
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- mck: we could show it as empty, no valut.
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- s/valut/value/
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- mck: current behavior may be the bug, which highligted item can be different from selected item.
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- jon: "choose fruit" is checked initailly so it looks like the selected value.
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- jon: position of mouse seems to be a bit off.
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- jon: when you don thave anything selected, the value is the "choose the fruit". that is the problem
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- mck: I am having the difficult time to understand the bug - . hightlight vs select
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- jon: my problem is "choose a fruit" being the select option. It seems to be punky, it rather to be "no fruit" option
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- jon: native select html choose the first option as the value if nothing is selected.
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- mck: how about showing it as place holder with no value, - put it outside div so on...actually we are not sure whether aria place holder made it aria 1.2
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